Jon said:
I haven't followed the whole thread. But try to explain the connection with 
James and Pragmatism. How is James related to the Eastern approach?



dmb says:

Pirsig identifies his MOQ with pragmatism in general and with James's 
pragmatism and radical empiricism in particular. (Last few pages of chapter 29 
in Lila.) Even more specifically, Pirsig equates his notion of Dynamic Quality 
with James's notion of "pure experience". Interestingly, radical empiricism and 
pure experience are both central in ZAMM even though Pirsig discovered these 
parallels only after he wrote it. He had come to the same conclusions as James, 
but independently and in his own way. Before he wrote ZAMM, he had dismissed 
James as theist who was trying to smuggle God in through the back door but a 
reviewer saw similarities and so he decided to give James another chance. Of 
all the thinkers that were compared by critics, this one actually worked. The 
parallels even came down to specific terms. James also used the terms "static" 
and "dynamic" in the same way Pirsig does.

The Japanese philosopher Kitiro Nishda, a contemporary of James's, saw how 
James's "pure experience" made sense within his own Zen Buddhist thought. As 
the article said, "Nishida felt that James's idea of pure experience was able 
to preserve some of the more important features of Buddhist thought that 
Nishida looked to incorporate into his own system. Though he was only to 
practice Zen meditation for a relatively short time, the distinctively Zen 
concern with cultivating an intuitive, pre-reflective insight into the nature 
of reality and experience was conjoined, in Nishida, with the Western emphasis 
on logic and argumentative rigor in a somewhat unlikely alliance." There are 
other articles and books in which such connections are made between James's 
work and mysticism. He wrote about it specifically, a whole chapter on 
mysticism in The Varieties of Religious Experience. Plus his father was a 
mystic of the Swedenbourgian variety and Emerson was a friend of the family. 
But it's his non-theistic notion of pure experience that really connects it to 
the philosophical mysticism of the MOQ. This is the Zen of Zen and the Art of 
Motorcycle Maintenance. It's about "cultivating an intuitive, pre-reflective" 
awareness. Just sitting. Just fixing. 

Here are some quotes I've selected to show this parallel... 
PIRSIGThis eternally dualistic subject-object way of approaching the motorcycle 
sounds right to us because we're used to it. But it's not right. It's always 
been an artificial interpretation superimposed on reality. It's never been 
reality itself. When this duality is completely accepted a certain nondivided 
relationship between the mechanic and motorcycle, a craftsmanlike feeling for 
the work, is destroyed. When traditional rationality divides the world into 
subjects and objects it shuts out Quality, and when you're really stuck it's 
Quality, not any subjects or objects, that tells you where you ought to go. 
(ZAMM, p. 282) 


JAMESThe instant field of the present is at all times what I call the ‘pure’ 
experience. It is only virtually or potentially either object or subject as 
yet. For the time being, it is plain, unqualified actuality, or existence, a 
simple that. In this naïf immediacy it is of course valid; it is there, we act 
upon it; and the doubling of it in retrospection into a state of mind and a 
reality intended thereby, is just one of the acts. (William James in DOES 
‘CONSCIOUSNESS’ EXIST, p. 16)


JAMES‘Pure experience’ is the name which I gave to the immediate flux of life 
which furnishes the material to our later reflection with its conceptual 
categories. Only newborn babes, or men in semi-coma from sleep, drugs, 
illnesses, or blows, may be assumed to have an experience pure in the literal 
sense of a that which is not yet any definite what, tho’ ready to be all sorts 
of whats; full both of oneness and of manyness, but in respects that don’t 
appear; changing throughout, yet so confusedly that its phases interpenetrate 
and no points, either of distinction or of identity can be caught. Pure 
experience in this state is but another name for feeling or sensation. But the 
flux of it no sooner comes than it tends to fill itself with emphases, and 
these salient parts become identified and fixed and abstracted; so that 
experience now flows as if shot through with adjectives and nouns and 
prepositions and conjunctions. Its purity is only a relative term, meaning the 
proportional amount of unverbalized sensation which it still embodies. (William 
James in THE THING AND ITS RELATIONS, p. 40)


PIRSIGPhædrus felt that at the moment of pure Quality perception, or not even 
perception, at the moment of pure Quality, there is no subject and there is no 
object. There is only a sense of Quality that produces a later awareness of 
subjects and objects. At the moment of pure quality, subject and object are 
identical. This is the tat tvam asi truth of the Upanishads, but it's also 
reflected in modern street argot. ``Getting with it,'' ``digging it,'' 
``grooving on it'' are all slang reflections of this identity. It is this 
identity that is the basis of craftsmanship in all the technical arts. And it 
is this identity that modern, dualistically conceived technology lacks. (ZAMM 
pp. 290-91)


PIRSIGThis Copernican inversion of the relationship of Quality to the objective 
world could sound mysterious if not carefully explained, but he didn't mean it 
to be mysterious. He simply meant that at the cutting edge of time, before an 
object can be distinguished, there must be a kind of nonintellectual awareness, 
which he called awareness of Quality. You can't be aware that you've seen a 
tree until after you've seen the tree, and between the instant of vision and 
instant of awareness there must be a time lag. We sometimes think of that time 
lag as unimportant, But there's no justification for thinking that the time lag 
is unimportant...none whatsoever. The past exists only in our memories, the 
future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you 
are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the 
past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is 
always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision 
before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. This 
preintellectual reality is what Phædrus felt he had properly identified as 
Quality. Since all intellectually identifiable things must emerge from this 
preintellectual reality, Quality is the parent, the source of all subjects and 
objects. (ZAMM p. 247)
                                          
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