Dmb, Have a good time. It bothers me not. I have gotten quite good at ignoring my own thoughts, I should have not trouble with yours.
Marsha On May 12, 2010, at 9:55 AM, david buchanan wrote: > > Marsha said to dmb: > > Exactly right??? Right! There is nothing for me to say. I need a long hike > on a quiet trail. > > > dmb says: > > On what basis does your "I need" of hikes with quiet exist? By mistaken > identity! > > > Sorry, but humor and mockery seems like the only proper response. There is > nothing for you to say, I think, because you've adopted a position that can't > be defended by anybody. > > Conventional reality is taken literally and ontologically, whereas it should > be understood as merely a pretty good hypothesis. But, as Woody Allen > observed, conventional reality is still the only place where you can get a > good steak. I mean, the MOQ is supposed to be about improving the quality of > life. How is that cause served by equating SOM with intellect? It's not. It > is undermined and FUBAR by that equation. > > As I see it, you and Bo and the other subscribers are engaged in a kind of > intellectual vandalism. Barbarians! > > > > > >> >> Thanks Dave. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 12, 2010, at 12:01 AM, david buchanan wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Marsha asked dmb: >>> On what basis does your "I think" of agreement with Arlo exist? By >>> mistaken identity! >>> >>> >>> dmb says: >>> >>> If you think "I" cannot agree without basing it on SOM, then you are one >>> seriously mixed up cat. >>> Now anyone who uses a personal pronoun is committed to the notion that >>> reality is made up of two ontologically separate categories? If that's not >>> reaching, Lance Armstrong was the first man on the moon. >>> >>>>> Arlo said (repeatedly): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .., if all intellectual patterns are SOM, what exactly was Pirsig >>>>> lamenting in ZMM? If "intellect" can be nothing else but SOM, then what's >>>>> the beef with Aristotle? And those Sophists, they were peddling SOM too. >>>>> ... I think that calling "intellect" nothing but SOM achieves this. It >>>>> puts intellect as a whole as a cancerous element atop society, it makes >>>>> "intellect" at best something to be overcome in an otherwise harmonious >>>>> evolution. Of course intellect should have moral dominance over society, >>>>> but I think Pirsig's point of asking "was this the pattern intellect was >>>>> going to run with?" shows that intellect-as-SOM is the problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> dmb says: >>>>> >>>>> I think that's exactly right. SOM is the flaw, the disease and is not to >>>>> be confused with the patient. That's what happens when you equate SOM >>>>> with the intellect level; instead of saying the patient HAS cancer you >>>>> say the patient IS cancer. You don't have to be a doctor to see what a >>>>> huge mistake that is. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with >>> Hotmail. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
