You are entitled to your opinion...
On May 12, 2010, at 2:13 PM, david buchanan wrote:
> Okay Marsha, but just between you and me, I think you have devolved into a
> cranky bullshitter, into a spewer of mean-spirited nonsense. What you're
> doing is intellectually irresponsible and immoral and I'm disgusted by it. I
> also think it's a good thing that you don't care what I think.
>
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> > From: [email protected]
> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:21:36 -0400
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [MD] e: Reading & Comprehension
> >
> >
> > Dmb,
> >
> > Have a good time. It bothers me not. I have gotten quite good at ignoring
> > my own thoughts, I should have not trouble with yours.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> > On May 12, 2010, at 9:55 AM, david buchanan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Marsha said to dmb:
> > >
> > > Exactly right??? Right! There is nothing for me to say. I need a long
> > > hike on a quiet trail.
> > >
> > >
> > > dmb says:
> > >
> > > On what basis does your "I need" of hikes with quiet exist? By mistaken
> > > identity!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but humor and mockery seems like the only proper response. There
> > > is nothing for you to say, I think, because you've adopted a position
> > > that can't be defended by anybody.
> > >
> > > Conventional reality is taken literally and ontologically, whereas it
> > > should be understood as merely a pretty good hypothesis. But, as Woody
> > > Allen observed, conventional reality is still the only place where you
> > > can get a good steak. I mean, the MOQ is supposed to be about improving
> > > the quality of life. How is that cause served by equating SOM with
> > > intellect? It's not. It is undermined and FUBAR by that equation.
> > >
> > > As I see it, you and Bo and the other subscribers are engaged in a kind
> > > of intellectual vandalism. Barbarians!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Dave.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Marsha
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On May 12, 2010, at 12:01 AM, david buchanan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Marsha asked dmb:
> > >>> On what basis does your "I think" of agreement with Arlo exist? By
> > >>> mistaken identity!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> dmb says:
> > >>>
> > >>> If you think "I" cannot agree without basing it on SOM, then you are
> > >>> one seriously mixed up cat.
> > >>> Now anyone who uses a personal pronoun is committed to the notion that
> > >>> reality is made up of two ontologically separate categories? If that's
> > >>> not reaching, Lance Armstrong was the first man on the moon.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Arlo said (repeatedly):
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> .., if all intellectual patterns are SOM, what exactly was Pirsig
> > >>>>> lamenting in ZMM? If "intellect" can be nothing else but SOM, then
> > >>>>> what's the beef with Aristotle? And those Sophists, they were
> > >>>>> peddling SOM too.
> > >>>>> ... I think that calling "intellect" nothing but SOM achieves this.
> > >>>>> It puts intellect as a whole as a cancerous element atop society, it
> > >>>>> makes "intellect" at best something to be overcome in an otherwise
> > >>>>> harmonious evolution. Of course intellect should have moral dominance
> > >>>>> over society, but I think Pirsig's point of asking "was this the
> > >>>>> pattern intellect was going to run with?" shows that intellect-as-SOM
> > >>>>> is the problem.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> dmb says:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think that's exactly right. SOM is the flaw, the disease and is not
> > >>>>> to be confused with the patient. That's what happens when you equate
> > >>>>> SOM with the intellect level; instead of saying the patient HAS
> > >>>>> cancer you say the patient IS cancer. You don't have to be a doctor
> > >>>>> to see what a huge mistake that is.
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