Hi Marsha, Right. DQ doesn't mean change per se. Many static patterns change constantly. Like S/O intellect that changes to support an individual's preconceived beliefs or to justify one's allegiance to the prevailing "feel-good" social patterns. DQ is about betterness, not the waxing and waning of the moon.
Platt On 16 May 2010 at 10:57, MarshaV wrote: Hello John, I think that nature is one of the most dynamic static patterns, but it's still pattern applied to DQ. Marsha On May 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. > > Nature is a static pattern? Then you believe everything is. I can't > imagine anything more dynamic than nature. > > At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its the > same everywhere. > > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Ian, >> >> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' is >> a static pattern of value, not an absolute. No matter how forceful he >> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it >> fully. I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he was >> discussing 'thinking'. There is something in the way he uses the >> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general. >> > > > Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse and > Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how that > fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this morning > that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect. > > An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that it's > avoiding a puddle of acid. Know-how is biological and know-that is human. > > Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely? I feel like I'm > getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here. > > >> >> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at >> what patterns represent, their category or function. I can all too >> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood. But I'm >> curious to thoroughly understand how it works. If I can. It is not >> unimportant to the way lives are lived. >> >> Am I weird? >> > > > Compared to normal people, probably. Compared to me and others on MD, no. > > Chopping Wood? Today is the day for gardening. Nature beckons! > > take care, > > John > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >>> Arlo, Marsha, >>> >>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is - >>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that >>> his sentences start with IF ? >>> >>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> [Marsha] >>>> The >>>> lament >>>> is >>>> based >>>> on >>>> a >>>> misconception: >>>> that >>>> entities (self & object) >>>> exist >>>> independently. >>>> >>>> [Arlo] >>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this is >> NOT >>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect. >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
