Adrie, Arlo, All! 29 May.
[Arlo] > > Imprisoning intellect as SOM, yes, by claiming ALL intellect is SOM you > > take an evolutionary hierarchy and declare its uppermost level > > "cancerous". I think Pirsig's view that this actually undermines the MOQ > > is spot on. [Adie] > where did i make a statement like this?, claiming all intellect is > som?i never did , nor do i believe that all intellect is som. Adrie, don't let yourself so easily be pushed around by Arlo. Start thinking a little bit for yourself: First of all the MOQ rejects the subject/object - AKA mind/matter - metaphysics, consequently the intellectual level has NOT anything to do with SOM's mind, i.e. the mental compartment where ideas are constructed and reside. This is the great misconception that Arlo and his like harbor. They claim that SOM is just one intellectual pattern and the MOQ another, oblivious of Pirsig having made a great point of the container logic. the MOQ cannot be contained by a subset of itself!!!. The intellectual level is a static level and its primary purpose is to control the social level, and here we see that it MUST be SOM and SOM alone because it was SOM's objective scientific approach that pulled the rug from under the social level's master-pattern - religion - by making it mere subjective beliefs not based in objective facts. This is merely one indication that Pirsig really intended intellect to be SOM, but by Goodness I can't go through it all for every newcomer who enters and is chastised by this "gang of four" that allegedly defends the MOQ (I don't think they plot to destroy it) yet undermines it by making it utterly tooth-less. Bodvar PS The intellectual level's S/O distinction is the highest and best static value, the "cancer" part is this level in its old SOM role, before the MOQ context was revealed and the S/O distinction was regarded as existences very fundament ... phew!. Thus Intellect = SOM is a bit misleading, the "M" is taken over by the MOQ and only the S/O distinction remains ... double-phew ... but the said "gang" makes a big number of this and misses no opportunity to force us into "...having to resolve huge metaphysics disputes at the end of each sentence" while they ride the established SOM presupposition. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
