Hi Ron, > Bodvar: > OK this is me not Platt, but subjects and objects - along with all S/O > dualisms - came to pass with the Greeks. Isn't it possible to get this > ESSENTIAL message into your head? (ZAMM 382) > > What is essential to understand at this point is that until now > there was no such thing as mind and matter, subject and > object, form and substance. Those divisions are just dialectical > inventions that came later. The modern mind sometimes tends > to balk at the thought of these dichotomies being inventions > and says, ``Well, the divisions were there for the Greeks to > discover,'' and you have to say, ``Where were they? Point to > them!'' And the modern mind gets a little confused and > wonders what this is all about anyway, and still believes the > divisions were there. But they weren't, as Phædrus said. They > are just ghosts, immortal gods of the modern mythos which > appear to us to be real because we are in that mythos. But in > reality they are just as much an artistic creation as the > anthropomorphic Gods they replaced. > > Ron: > This passage illustrates the concept that the s/o distinction > is an intellectual invention, just like Gods, ghosts and myths. > S/O appears to be real but it is'nt it's just as made up as > the Gods it replaces. > You and Mary maintain that S/O was there for the greeks to discover > just as MoQ was there for Pirsig to discover. > [Mary Replies] Sure. I agree with everything you've said right up to the point where you say, "You and Mary maintain that S/O was there for the Greeks to discover". That certainly came out of nowhere! I don't know how to be more clear. I do not agree with that. The whole point is that it was invented not discovered don't you think?
> This Quote contradicts that assertion. > [Mary Replies] Au contraire, mon ami! The quote supports Bo's assertion. > Just an fyi > [Mary Replies] Ditto. Guess we really are talking past each other. Oh well, Mary Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
