On 3 Jun 2010 at 13:08, Arlo Bensinger wrote: [Platt] Speaking of Nazis, check this recent news item right out of the pages of Goebbels propaganda playbook:
[Arlo] Right. You have "nazi tourettes" as well. Big surprise. When the shoe fits . . . Platt] Sounds like Einstein failed to understand the significance of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, although he beat a retreat from Europe to America when threatened by the National Socialist Workers party of Germany. [Arlo] Yeah, Einstein, that dummy. Actually, Einstein understood very well. Your inability to demonstrate any semblance of understanding this is due to your clinging to your ridiculous little "holy war", a "war" both Einstein and Pirsig talked above. What "war?" Against tyranny? You betcha. Einstein understood he better get his butt out of Germany and that the U.S. was the best country to go to. [Platt] A repeat -- needed to penetrate thick skulls: [Arlo] I don't think much can penetrate your skull, Platt, as again you comically use Pirsig to argue with Pirsig, instead of seeing the obvious that he was above your ideological "war". Pirsig "above" the war against tyranny? Surely you jest. [Platt] Note the phrase "scientific, intellectual culture" -- further support of Bo's interpretation of the intellectual level as SOL. [Arlo] No, in support of Pirsig's formulation of the intellectual level as NOT SOL, as he is pointing to the specific instantiation of SOM in the West. So Pirsig changes the meaning of "intellectual" depending on what you wish it to mean? I don't think so. [Platt] In Lila Pirsig cites SOM as the cause of lost souls: [Arlo] And I agree. In ZMM he talks quite a bit at how the SOM underpinnings of the present western capitalist model was failing human souls. And that is exactly what Einstein was speaking to as well. Are you kidding? SOM doesn't underpin the capitalist system. Human nature underpins the system, as Pirsig correctly states: "On the other hand the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of free enterprise are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They are just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old exploitation of the poor." (Lila, 17) He should have added the universal human desire to be free to chose one's own pursuits and keep the rewards of one's own efforts. Pirsig is also makes it clear that socialism is the darling of intellectuals. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
