On 12 Jun 2010 at 8:15, [email protected] wrote: Agree 100 %, but as you point to it's terrible difficult to undo the SOM as our reference frame. What Andre understand with intellect is not the 4th. level, but the mental compartment known as MIND and you can't have mind without matter, subject without object ...etc. and SOM is back. I don't know if you will go all the way, but IMO the Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics is the culprit.
Hi Bo, If by Quality/MOQ being the culprit you mean categorizing the MOQ as just another metaphysics, I'm with you. If you put the MOQ in the same mental container as materialism, idealism, existentialism, essentialism, determinism, naturalism, monism, nihilism and the hundred and one other theories of reality, you have the ingredients for philosophology, the playground of academics of little significance. But if you understand what Pirsig talks about as being reality itself and not a filter needed to discuss it, we're on the same page. Roger Scruton, a English philosopher, recently penned a marvelous description of SOM. "The Cartesian picture tempts us to believe we go through life dragging an animal on a lead, forcing it to do our bidding until at last it collapses and dies. I am I. It is it. In this way the body becomes a thing among other things." How much more illuminating, harmonious and "real" to know oneself as a being of unique value. Best, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
