Andre --
The confusion is not 'a direct result of Pirsig's level
metaphor' Ham, the confusion is Bodvar's misconstruction
of the MOQ.
I am not concerned with Bo's "misconstruction of the MOQ". I'm concerned
that fundamental reality has been misinterpreted as an aesthetic essent that
evolves in time by some cosmic law to form patterns of which you and I and
our objective world are comprised. Whether we call this conception SOM,
MOQ, or "radical empiricism", it is not a metaphysical thesis, nor can
ultimate reality be defined in empirical terms.
And I cannot follow your reasoning; The 'levels metaphor'
expresses different evolutionary phases of static patterns of
quality/value/experience. The levels are 'discrete' in the
sense that they follow rules of their own but you cannot
isolate them from one-another within the unifying frame of
the MOQ which points to their unifying foundation... which is Quality.
The "levels" are arbitrary divisions of the physical world intellectualized
by a human being. As such, they are a euphemistic paradigm applied to a
space/time (empirical) perspective of reality, in the same fashion as
Parmenides' "Earth, Air, Fire, Water" paradigm of the elements was
intellectualized in the 5th century B.C. Imputing divisions to ultimate
reality is metaphysically unjustified and logically unsound. And equating a
human affection such as Quality with reality is epistemically flawed.
[Ham, previously]:
And we couldn't even realize Value if WE (its sensible agents)
were not separated from it.
[Andre]:
If WE as your so called 'sensible agents' were really 'separated from it'
we would NOT be able to realize it!
Do you not understand the central theme of LILA?: 'Does Lila have
Quality?'
Of course intellectually we 'divide' but the dividing must be
understood within a MOQ context and not a SOM context.
Dividing does not necessarily mean 'separating from'/ 'isolating
from'...the quality/value relations between them
must not be lost sight of ... as they are in SOM but are
re-established in the MOQ.
Value is our link or connection to reality. It is the fabric or ground of
our differentiated existence, not reality itself, which is undefinable.
Whatever can be divided, experientially or intellectually, is only the
appearance (to an observer) of something beyond finitude. We humans can
only sense the Value of that reality as an 'other'. But because ultimate
reality has no other, experience deceives us. Our existence as finite,
value-sensible beings is transcended by the absolute source of this value.
Essence is the one and only true reality.
You maintain the notion of individuals as isolated little
lonely islands and continue to adhere to this to satisfy your
political/economic convictions. The MOQ shows that this
conviction is actually an immoral stance. It shows that you
let your static social patterns of value dominate static
intellectual patterns of quality. And on this site you are not the only
contributor doing this.
Sorry to learn that my metaphysical position is immoral, but I can assure
you that political/economic convictions have nothing to do with it. Life is
an individual experience, whatever one's politics happen to be. And were
not each of us isolated from the Essence of our being, we would not
experience its value as relative otherness.
Essentially speaking,
Ham
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