[Bodvar to Krimel, June 5]:
> This leads to the false impression that there remains an
> unscathed Quality atop the DQ/SQ dichotomy,
> and made the latter-day Pirsig (in the Summary of 2005)
> say that the MOQ is the "static" part of a still greater
> Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics. This is horribly wrong
> IT IS QUALITY WHICH IS DIVIDED!
[Andre replies]:
The 'false impression' is entirely yours Bodvar.Quality remains 'unscathed'
because it cannot be scathed. Static patterns of value are abstracted from the
(Quality)stimulus... . DQ, as used in LILA in this instance ...as a static
intellectual reference to Quality! All concepts need to be kept out of
Quality. ..Quality CANNOT BE DIVIDED!
Ham responded saying:
Here is another example of a fundamental concept being misconstrued.
Ironically, the confusion is a direct result of Pirsig's levels metaphor.
Andre:
The confusion is not 'a direct result of Pirsig's level metaphor' Ham, the
confusion is Bodvar's misconstruction of the MOQ.
And I cannot follow your reasoning; The 'levels metaphor' expresses different
evolutionary phases of static patterns of quality/value/experience. The levels
are 'discrete' in the sense that they follow rules of their own but you cannot
isolate them from one-another within the unifying frame of the MOQ which points
to their unifying foundation... which is Quality.
Ham:
And we couldn't even realize Value if WE (as the sensible agents) were
not separated from it.
Andre:
If WE as your so called 'sensible agents' were really 'separated from
it' we would NOT be able to realize it! Do you not understand the
central theme of LILA?: 'Does Lila have Quality?'
Of course intellectually we 'divide' but the dividing must be understood
within a MOQ context and not a SOM context. Dividing does not
necessarily mean 'separating from'/ 'isolating from'...the quality/value
relations between them must not be lost sight of ... as they are in SOM
but are re-established in the MOQ.
You maintain the notion of individuals as isolated little lonely islands
and continue to adhere to this to satisfy your political/economic
convictions. The MOQ shows that this conviction is actually an immoral
stance. It shows that you let your static social patterns of value
dominate static intellectual patterns of quality. And on this site you
are not the only contributor doing this.
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