Bodvar to Mary, All:
ZAMM page 231:
The knife of subjectivity-and-objectivity had cut Quality in two
and killed it as a working concept. If he was going to save it, he
couldn't let that knife get it.......
and further that it is "intellectual"
ZAMM page 79:
The fourth is that there is a knife moving here. A very deadly
one; an intellectual scalpel so swift and so sharp you
sometimes don't see it moving. You get the illusion that all
those parts are just there and are being named as they exist.
But they can be named quite differently and organized quite
differently depending on how the knife moves.
Ipso facto: Intellectual thinking is S/O and the SOL is once again
proved!
Andre:
And if this is not a contradiction in terms I do not know anything.By
presenting this quote you have DIS-proven your 'intellectual' S/O, SOL. The
knife CAN (and has) moved differently. How is Phaedrus able to say this if
there was NO OTHER WAY THAN THE SOL?!!...and there is no way out of your SOL (
as you claim). What a load of bullSHIT.
He is not talking about an 'Eastern' intellectual pattern. He is talking about
a dominating 'Western' intellectual pattern. The pattern he was brought up on
and in. And he didn't like it.
For goodness sake Bodvar. You are contradicting your own conviction held for so
many years and you do not even see it!
Bodvar:
We see the origin her, Pirsig thinks that the DQ/SQ divide is done by
intellect's S/O-knife, hence the MOQ becomes something secondary to a
greater DQ.
Andre:
It is blatantly obvious that you do NOT know what or how Mr. Pirsig
thinks. Once again you are bulldozing your interpretation through the
MOQ which is, to say the least, very confusing (at first) very annoying
(at second) and incredibly boring once one gets a slight glimpse of Mr.
Pirsig's MOQ the way he would like it understood. ( and for good
measure; the way he would like it understood is by reading and listening
to all of his published stuff...and accepting it in the process). If you
do not accept it...well read what he had to say about that in his letter
to Doug Renselle...its in the archives.
To QUESTION ! the idea that the MOQ is something 'secondary' to DQ...to
suggest that they might even be equal... to suggest that they might even
be equivalent...in other words the MOQ = DQ reveals your complete
misunderstanding.
I really have had enough of this Bodvar. You are very confused and
should take a very, very long holiday.
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