Bodvar to Andre: The above pertains to my two ZAMM quotes (1) " ,,,the knife of subjectivity" and (2) "...an intellectual scalpel" that shows that Pirsig in that book regarded intellect = the S/O distinction, I see that the "an" allows for a possible different intellectual way of dividing existence, but THAT is not the intellectual LEVEL but the levels before intellect or the MOQ (that divides DQ/SQ) and of which intellect is a subset of ... and cannot fit inside!!!
Andre: If anyone on this discuss can untangle this for me and make sense of it (other than Bodvar) please come forward.Please, please please!!! Mr. Pirsig did NOT regard 'intellect = the S/O distinction' in ZMM! You say that 'an' (I think you mean 'can'(!) allows for...'intellectual way of dividing...' but you say that this dividing is the levels 'before intellect'...and not the intellectual level... or the Moq (deliberate small lettering). What the 'Fck' is it then Bodvar? It is intellectually dividing but it is not really the intellectual level , it are the levels before? Maybe a proto-intellectual level or maybe a super-imposed proto minor intellectual level or perhaps maybe a super-proto-intellectual biological level or a biological-inorganic(let's call it the bio-chemistry intellectual level) or even a biological-social (lets call it the All you need is Love level) after or never again or maybe a time to come in the future so long as I maintain my intellect= SOM anything goes and the MOQ =Reality=Experience and Mr. Pirsig can go with it level? Are we now going to have a quibble, lasting over a decade to come, over what came first: the intellectual level or intellect? Are you beginning to realize what mess you are making of the MOQ? Are you beginning to realize how you are stopping people and many promising discussions from progressing with the MOQ with your interferences, interpolations and interjections? Do you really think that you are helping things, other than feeding your self-satisfying and self-absorbing egocentric interpretation of your M (do not call it a M of Quality anymore because that is wasted in your hands).Refer to Mr. Pirsig's letter to Doug Renselle! You are screwing it up so completely that nobody understands you anymore and you feel the need of continuously correcting those that are trying to follow you and give you some sort of credit ( in your deluded state). We are here to talk about Mr. Pirsig's MOQ Bodvar! Not yours! And, again, I must insist that if you are so vehemently opposed to Mr. Pirsig's exposition of his Quality idea then please start your own site. ( But do NOT call it the MOQ! Call it the BBq) For the umpteenth time Bodvar; you really make no sense. You advise me to read the books again, well I have advised you on many occasions to do the same without your SOL glasses on. Not even the Cleveland Harbour Effect applies to you anymore. When I read and re-read those books I try to learn. You are only seeking to confirm and that is a huge difference. Of course this is only... and only, just,... sorry for intruding, sorry even for breathing... my very humble, self-centered, egotistical,egocentric, self opinionated selfish, isolated, not to do with anyone else's, opinion about really nobody else's writing as I really am a tabula rasa and only responding in my ( shall I go over it again???) inimitable, using Aussie colloqualisms, Dutch assertiveness and directness and a slight touch of Chinese humility maintaining my soliloquize ad infinitum rectum...way! Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
