Matt said to John:
When I suggested that making "humility" a philosophical assertion to be "yay or
nayed," I was suggesting, just like Pirsig in ZMM, that that turns _dialectic_,
that which discerns what is true or false, into the primary subject, rather
than rhetoric (or, "personal composition"). Because by making a philosophical
assertion, you are making the yay or naying, truth or falsity _of the
assertion_ the primary object, rather than the way one behaves in the making
of assertions.
dmb says:
Not to change the subject, but where did you get the idea that "rhetoric" means
"personal composition"? And where did you get the idea that rhetoric can
contain no philosophical assertions? As I understand it, Pirsig simply means
excellent thought and speech, which I take to mean that it is right both
conceptually and stylistically, in both substance and form. A well constructed
joke could count as well as an essay. Rhetoric can even be used in a dialogue
or debate.
I mean, why should it be restricted to any particular form?
I suppose it's just a co-incidence that it is your favored form that counts as
rhetoric, eh?
And now that you've posted this self-serving equation, does such a move pass
your behavioral test? Is it humble?
Sorry, but I don't have any serious comments or questions about humility. You
already know what Nietzsche said. I think he's got a point. That virtue is more
than a little dubious.
Why does that word always make me want to smoke pot. Hmmm. Dubious.
Cough, cough, cough.
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