Thanks for the quotes from Lila's Child Chapter 13, Horse. I'm going to take a
few liberties with them...
Platt said:
Bo has maintained that the intellectual level is SOM (rationality, language,
science). It's gradually seeped into my mind that Bo is right about this. ...
Pirsig replied:
I've always thought this is incorrect because many forms of intellect do not
have a subject-object construction. These include logic itself, mathematics,
computer programming languages, and, I believe some primitive languages
(although I can't remember what they are).
Mary Replied to Pirsig:
That's fine, but, as I have asked before, NAME ONE.
Pirsig might have said:
Let me repeat that. These include logic itself, mathematics, especially quantum
mechanics, computer programming languages, and, I believe some primitive
languages (although I can't remember what they are). Oh, and then there is the
MOQ as well.
Platt said:
After all, the MOQ is an SOM document based on SOM reasoning. ...I fully agree
with Bo's insight that the SOM and the intellectual level are one and the same.
.., the MOQ is the best S/O answer I've found yet.
Pirsig replied:
I think this conclusion undermines the MOQ,.. The MOQ is in opposition to
subject-object metaphysics. To say that it is a part of that system which it
opposes sounds like a dismissal. ... I see a lowering of the quality of the MOQ
itself if you follow this path of subordinating it to that which it opposes.
dmb says:
I think things get heated because it is so frustrating to witness the dismissal
of this kind of evidence. The meaning is so explicit and so clear that there is
just no way a reasonable person could reject it. And so you get accusations of
stupidity and intellectual dishonesty as a reaction to that rejection. Anybody
can make a mistake and we all have lots to learn but when these explanations
have to be repeated over and over and over again - for years in some cases -
people run out of patience. They get frustrated. That's just a natural reaction
and the insulting conclusions reached about this stubbornness is not crazy, you
know? Sadly, it's probably true. There might be other things going on too, but
dishonesty and ignorance really would explain this persistent pattern of
behavior. If anyone has a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
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