Ron,
I'm leaving at 7am tomorrow, and need to gets some sleep. Intellectual Static Patterns of Value are reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation. Intellectual patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of independence, or 'thingness'. The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level where the subjective is supposedly stripped from the experience. I believe in an emerging quality level where value is known as primary, and fourth-level, intellectual patterns are used for creating and implementing a higher quality experience/environment. Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lovers, the dreamers and me. Before I answer you question, answer these which have been unanswered for a long time: As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated above, and I have seen no evidence to the contrary. Have you presented an intellectual pattern that transcends a subject/object representation of reality, excluding art which may use intellectual patterns but also makes use of inorganic, biological and social patterns and often goes beyond. Where is your evidence? Let's see you EXPLAIN and DEMONSTRATE an intellectual pattern that does not reify concepts, that does not create a self involved in analyzing such concepts, or does not represent the rules for such manipulation? You cannot do it, because the minute you've begun you have divided and formed an object and an analyzing self. Good Night, Marsha p.s.s I'm still wait for Andre to cite the quotes where Mr Pirsig states a correlation between DQ/sq and yin/yang. On Jun 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, X Acto wrote: > Platt., Marsha, > How would you say SOL provides greater explanatory power? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 12:27:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics > > > Right Platt! > > Whose being dishonest by ignoring what? This is exactly why I wouldn't want > to be an intellectual. Look as what you must do to maintain such an image of > yourself. Who is fooling who? > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Platt Holden wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "david buchanan" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics >> >> >>> >> I think things get heated because it is so frustrating to witness the >> dismissal of this kind of evidence. The meaning is so explicit and so clear >> that there is just no way a reasonable person could reject it. And so you >> get accusations of stupidity and intellectual dishonesty as a reaction to >> that rejection. Anybody can make a mistake and we all have lots to learn but >> when these explanations have to be repeated over and over and over again - >> for years in some cases - people run out of patience. They get frustrated. >> That's just a natural reaction and the insulting conclusions reached about >> this stubbornness is not crazy, you know? Sadly, it's probably true. There >> might be other things going on too, but dishonesty and ignorance really >> would explain this persistent pattern of behavior. If anyone has a better >> explanation, I'd like to hear >> >> [Platt] >> Apply DMB's tirade to dismissal of the following evidence. >> >> "What had happened since the end of World War I was that the INTELLECTUAL >> LEVEL had entered the picture and had taken over EVERYTHING. It was this >> INTELLECTUAL LEVEL level that was screwing everything up." (Lila, 24 - caps >> added) >> >> ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
