On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Hi Marsha, inserted ... > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> Based on my experience and conventional understanding, and ignoring >> the bottom line 'not this, not that interpretation of ultimate truth,' here >> is my >> individual interpretation of intellectual patterns: >> >> >> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value are reified concepts and the rules >> for their rational analysis and manipulation. > > Ian - Yes, static / reified long enough for such manipulation and > analysis to take place. > >> Intellectual patterns create >> false boundaries, create a division between the observed and the >> observer giving the illusion of independence, or 'thingness'. > > Ian - Kinda yes. Typically yes, in a Good-Old-Fashioned SOMist > intellectual world, but not fundamentally, in an MoQ world. > > The fourth >> level is a formalized subject/object level where the subjective is >> supposedly stripped from the experience. > > Ian - Kinda yes, but "supposedly" is a key word. Supposed only by > SOMists. We can (with our intellects and empirical experience) chose > to slice and dice, analyse and manipulate the world in ways that > represent the world in any other way we MoQists chose recognize many > more useful appropriate patterns of value before S or O.
Btw, Pirsig considers any philosophy that asserts that reality is composed from mind or matter or a combination of both is an SOM philosophy.' Intellectual patterns require definition and meaning, otherwise there would be no consensus for communication. A pattern does not have such boundaries. A definition is never more than a fragment of a pattern. A pattern does not have any invariable nature or 'thingness'. A pattern is ever-changing, relational and impermanent. >> My mind is definitely subject to change. For instance, next month I may >> decide the fourth level should be understood as the 'crossword level.' > > Ian - OK :-) And thank you for welcoming me back. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
