Oohh, oohh, Nazi's 4 lines in - do I win a prize ? So thank Horse, freedom of speech is upheld on MD. Ian
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Arlo, > > To paraphrase RMP: 'any culture which permits freedom of speech is morally > superior to any culture which does not. Because in this Metaphysics of > Quality, intellect is a higher level of evolution, and when a social > organization, whether it's nazis, or communists, or anybody, tries to prevent > this evolution from taking place that is an immoral act, that's an evil act. > And you see it happening. Once you understand this, you see it happening in > all sorts of places that you wouldn't expect it normally.' > > This is from the 'Church of Reason' section of THE MOQ at OXFORD dvd. Notice > it doesn't state an freedom of speech exemption for the MD List. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > >> [Bo] >> I hate to the make it personal and would have liked to say "...those who >> have supported the MOQ" because I know that Mary and Platt do defend the >> MOQ. Likewise shame on the hypocrites who - to my great satisfaction - are >> those who don't know the first thing about the MOQ - Ian and Dan f.ex. - >> from DMB I didn't expect anything else. >> >> [Arlo] >> I'm taking the liberty to rectify the poor rhetoric and ignorance in this >> short example of "why Bo has nothing relevant to say". >> >> I hate to the make it personal and would have liked to say "...those who >> have supported [my interpretation of Pirsig's] MOQ" because I know that Mary >> and Platt do defend [my interpretation of Pirsig's] MOQ. Likewise shame on >> the hypocrites who - to my great satisfaction - are those who don't know the >> first thing about [why my interpretation of the MOQ is better than Pirsig's] >> MOQ - Ian and Dan f.ex. - from DMB I didn't expect anything else. >> >> There. Accurate. Rhetorically sound. >> >> What Bo has proven here, though, is just what I pointed out the other day, >> the only expenditure here is to claim interpretive legitimacy by claiming >> that there is ONE MOQ, and of this even the author himself is not to be >> trusted to deliver the "strong" interpretation. >> >> [Pirsig] >> There already is a metaphysics of Quality. A subject-object metaphysics is >> in fact a metaphysics in which the first division of Quality - the first >> slice of undivided experience is into subjects and objects. >> >> [Arlo] >> Correct. What we conventionally call "THE MOQ", the convention that has >> confounded Bo since I've been a member of the list, is what we, those >> interested in Pirsig's ideas, use to refer to specifically Pirsig's ideas. >> >> This is why Bo is more concerned with claiming legitimacy for his revision >> of Pirsig's work (claiming it is THE metaphysics of Quality) rather than >> just stating the simple and elegant truth. >> >> Bo's ideas are a revision of Pirsig's ideas. >> >> Bo's formulation for a metaphysics of Quality is a critical revision of >> Pirsig's metaphysics of Quality. >> >> Indeed, I'm going to back up for a moment to Pirsig's comment above and say >> "of Quality" is redundant. It concretizes something (not a problem for most >> of us, but apparently a great burden for the SOLists). >> >> You could just say "Pirsig's metaphysics" and be done with it. >> >> Bo's formulation for a metaphysics is a critical revision of Pirsig's >> metaphysics. >> >> Accurate. Rhetorically sound. Valid. Simple. >> >> Back to Bo's horrible rhetoric. >> >> [Bo] >> So, from now on I'll drop the SOL and call it by it's proper designation: >> "The Strong Interpretation of the MOQ". >> >> [Arlo] >> Actually, if you want its "proper designation", you'd have to go with "A >> Strong Interpretation of Pirsig's MOQ"... in other words "Bo's MOQ". >> >> Frankly, I'm continually amazed that so much effort is spent in such shoddy >> ways to grasp any straw of authoritative legitimacy possible. But since you >> have never really understood Pirsig, I guess no one should be surprised. >> >> [Bo] >> Whether Pirsig agrees or not is of little interest... >> >> [Arlo] >> In your entire post, this is the only nine words that make any sense. Kudos, >> as Ian said. >> >> [Bo] >> ... no one can copyright reality and the MOQ is not an expansion of the >> intellectual level, but an expansion of reality itself. >> >> [Arlo] >> I'll take the liberty to correct this monstrosity as well. >> >> "... no one can copyright reality and [my interpretation of Pirsig's] MOQ is >> not an expansion of the intellectual level, but an expansion of reality >> itself. " >> >> Its really no wonder, Bo, with such a dismal display of "thinking", only >> three or four people here take you seriously or pay attention to this SOL >> nonsense at all. >> >> If you had been paying attention, you'd have seen I provided you a sound >> rhetorical and argumentatively valid platform last week. >> >> [Arlo previously] >> Pirsig's ideas = "A metaphysics of Quality" (the foundation for which we are >> all here, to be sure), and Bo's ideas = "A metaphysics of Quality" that is a >> critical revision of Pirsig's ideas. >> >> Bo might say "A metaphysics of Quality that holds the intellectual level to >> SOM is better than A metaphysics of Quality that considers SOM to be one on >> many intellectual patterns", instead of "THE metaphysics of Quality holds >> the intellectual level to SOM". >> >> [Arlo] >> Your latest post is simply more evidence that you are eternally trapped in >> some battle (with yourself?) for interpretative legitimacy. I had hoped, as >> I'm sure others were doing, that your time away was spent figuring that out. >> Obviously not. >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
