Andy, ian, Matt, Arlo, ian again & Krimel (in that order), [Andy] > Craig, you neglected to justify your premise that
> 1) The intellectual level is the manipulation of symbolic representations This, of course, is Pirsig's own premise. I have assumed it in order to investigate what follows from it. [Andy] > Consider that social interaction is communication from a self to an > other, i.e. manipulation of symbols between subjects and objects. Considered & rejected. IMHO communication is between selves, both being subjects. [Andy] > Otherness is created at level 3, not level 4. Not generally. Here's a planet & there's another one (both level 1). Here's a cat & there's another one (level 2). I have an idea & you have a different one (level 4). [Andy] 1) The social level is the manipulation of symbolic representations 2) Symbolic representation requires both something-represented & something-represented-to 3) Something-represented is an object 4) Something-represented-to is a subject 5) The social level requires subjects & objects 6) :. The intellectual level requires subjects and objects 1) is false & 6) does not follow from 1) - 5). [ian] > What has this to do at all with this "Decision" thread ? > The thread is not about arguments for or against SOL/SIM. Horse complained that Bo would not "give it a rest". I just pointed out there was an argument for Bo's position that had not (until Andy) been addressed. [Matt] > [the argument that SOL was the intellectual level] implied that all thoughts > carried a subject and object component. Perhaps, what's your argument for this? [Matt] > Are not all sentences thoughts? IMHO none are. [Craig, previously] > the examples "Fore!" or "Duck!". [Arlo] > you keep offering shorthand instead of sentences... [ian] > In "Fore!" [& presumedly "Duck!"] the subjects and objects are implied [Krimel] > Both of these are imperative sentences where the subject is implied... > The part that is missing here is that sentences require a noun and a verb > not a subject and object. With all due respect to your 5th grade grammar teacher, saying the "subjects and objects are implied" just means they are not needed. "Duck!" is a perfectly good English sentence without a subject or noun. Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
