See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better.
may as well be religous beliefs ----- Original Message ---- From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks Marsha, Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable explanations. What are your reasons for a belief? But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric. I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well and practicing it poorly. To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly. -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks Ron, This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!). I see the same issue with Magnus. Do you see value and value judgements as different, or the same? Marsha On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote: > > > [Platt] > Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing > left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their > existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where > one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) > whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. > > Ron: > SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of > blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason > because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement. > > But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance. > Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM > or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator > which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
