oooops almost forgot
yawn On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:52 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:18 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Marsha, >> >> Depends on what values we are discussing >> if we are discussing inorganic and organic >> you are correct if we are talking social intellectual >> then no I would not agree. >> >> Social and especially intellectual values are >> personal judgements in my own opinion. >> >> Those values that support inorganic and organic >> good, would seem better than those that do not. >> >> This good, is what makes explanations true,it makes >> those explanations that support inorganic, organic >> and even social goods valueable. >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:54:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks >> >> >> Seems to me static patterns are quality (value) before whatever >> personal judgement one ascribes to them. >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:48 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs >>> they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better. >>> >>> may as well be religous beliefs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: X Acto <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks >>> >>> Marsha, >>> Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade >>> others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable >>> explanations. What are your reasons for a belief? >>> >>> But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless >>> they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric. >>> >>> I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well >>> and practicing it poorly. >>> >>> To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly. >>> >>> -Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and >>> value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!). I see the >>> same >>> issue with Magnus. Do you see value and value judgements as different, >>> or the same? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Platt] >>>> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so >>>> doing >> >>>> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their >>>> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding >>>> where >>>> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality >>>> (values) >> >>>> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of >>>> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason >>>> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement. >>>> >>>> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance. >>>> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. 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