On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:18 AM, X Acto wrote: > Marsha, > > Depends on what values we are discussing > if we are discussing inorganic and organic > you are correct if we are talking social intellectual > then no I would not agree. > > Social and especially intellectual values are > personal judgements in my own opinion. > > Those values that support inorganic and organic > good, would seem better than those that do not. > > This good, is what makes explanations true,it makes > those explanations that support inorganic, organic > and even social goods valueable. > > -Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:54:08 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks > > > Seems to me static patterns are quality (value) before whatever > personal judgement one ascribes to them. > > > > > On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:48 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs >> they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better. >> >> may as well be religous beliefs >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: X Acto <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks >> >> Marsha, >> Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade >> others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable >> explanations. What are your reasons for a belief? >> >> But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless >> they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric. >> >> I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well >> and practicing it poorly. >> >> To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly. >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks >> >> >> Ron, >> >> This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and >> value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!). I see the same >> issue with Magnus. Do you see value and value judgements as different, >> or the same? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> [Platt] >>> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so >>> doing > >>> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their >>> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding >>> where >>> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality >>> (values) > >>> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. >>> >>> Ron: >>> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of >>> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason >>> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement. >>> >>> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance. >>> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM >>> or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator >>> which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html
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