Thanks John...
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, John Carl wrote: > I agree completely, Marsha. > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> You can be such a patronizing dunderhead. > > > I can't lick my balls but I can be a patronizing dunderhead. > > The dunderhead part I can't change. But the patronizing part I certainly > can. What is my alternative? A matronizing dunderhead? > > Maybe I'll give it a shot. Show me how. > > I didn't throw away my father's >> bible, I threw away the bible and the father dwelling within it. >> >> > I believe throwing away the bible to be a high quality experience in the > quest for self-realization and have done it myself. > > I've also found picking it up again to have high value as well. Especially > with the right attitude, and by the "right attitude" I don't mean anything > esoteric or mystic. I mean simply, intellectually and comparatively, in the > correct context of an understanding of the ultimate metaphysical > underpinnings of the world which allows us to pick up any tome, any teaching > and ask, "is it good?" > > As opposed to the ways of modern religious indoctrination and control, which > I also abhor. > > Hmmmm... Matronizing dunderhead.. I actually might try that. > > John > > > > >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> But then, that's me. >>> >>> >>> yours as usual, >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> Too much like whenever and whatever you, John, say it is... Sure, >> you're >>>> cute, but so what? I most certainly can refute Tom Robbins. I threw my >>>> bloody bible (father and all) into the the garbage and heaped on coffee >>>> grounds and egg shells. >>>> >>>> With care, >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>> >>>>> You bet greed and materialism evolved for reasons, Marsha. But were >> they >>>>> good reasons? Or bad reasons? >>>>> >>>>> The age old question, asked of Dorothy by the munchkins, "Are you a >> good >>>>> witch? Or a bad witch?" >>>>> >>>>> Applying the question to reason itself, I'd say that Reason has >>>> definitely >>>>> been a good thing. It's freed women, men and children from the >>>> oppressions >>>>> of nature, allowing humanity to blanket the earth with comfortable >>>>> fecundity. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, what men, women and children have done with their >> freedom >>>> is >>>>> another story entirely. >>>>> >>>>> Reason has its limits, that aren't reason's fault. >>>>> >>>>> Anymore than its my hammer's fault that it's not an open-end 7/16 inch >>>>> wrench. >>>>> >>>>> And I still think things like to be realized, and that's why there's >>>>> intellect. >>>>> >>>>> Water invented man, so it could walk around and tell stories. >>>>> >>>>> You can't refute Tom Robbins, >>>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:41 AM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well yes. But its a relationship created by the thinking. Not >>>>>> naturally >>>>>>> arising just because granite, gravity and protons are "there". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other words, consciousness evolved for a reason. Or reason >> evolved >>>>>> for a >>>>>>> reason, and that reason is that gravity, protons and granite like to >> be >>>>>>> realized. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Reason evolved for a reason? Either it did or it didn't. Oh goodie, >>>> than >>>>>> greed >>>>>> and Materialism evolved for a reason. Long live Plato and >> Aristotle!!! >>>>>> Down >>>>>> with all women!!! Down with passion and heart!!! (sarcastically >>>> written) >>>>>> >>>>>> Or maybe reason evolved with a twenty-five-hundred year-old >> distortion, >>>> a >>>>>> masculine dis-ease, so pleased is he with his own ability to destroy. >>>>>> Yes, I _think_ that is more likely. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> so make their day. Think about them and fulfill their (and your) >>>>>> destiny. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy thinking, dear Marsha, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do lead, granite, gravity and protons, all as patterns, have a >>>>>> relationship >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> thinking/thoughts/consciousness? Do all patterns from all levels >> have >>>> a >>>>>>>> relationship with thinking/thoughts/consciousness? I do not mean to >>>>>>>> insinuate >>>>>>>> that they are just ideas, but that they have a relationship with >>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
