John, You do remember I apologized for the offlist comment. But it was a nice little reality check. When push came to shove, you threw everything you had at me.
Thanks for sending the hugs. I feel I should send some to you too. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hN8CKwdosjE Marsha On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:11 PM, John Carl wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hN8CKwdosjE > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Thanks John... >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> I agree completely, Marsha. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can be such a patronizing dunderhead. >>> >>> >>> I can't lick my balls but I can be a patronizing dunderhead. >>> >>> The dunderhead part I can't change. But the patronizing part I certainly >>> can. What is my alternative? A matronizing dunderhead? >>> >>> Maybe I'll give it a shot. Show me how. >>> >>> I didn't throw away my father's >>>> bible, I threw away the bible and the father dwelling within it. >>>> >>>> >>> I believe throwing away the bible to be a high quality experience in the >>> quest for self-realization and have done it myself. >>> >>> I've also found picking it up again to have high value as well. >> Especially >>> with the right attitude, and by the "right attitude" I don't mean >> anything >>> esoteric or mystic. I mean simply, intellectually and comparatively, in >> the >>> correct context of an understanding of the ultimate metaphysical >>> underpinnings of the world which allows us to pick up any tome, any >> teaching >>> and ask, "is it good?" >>> >>> As opposed to the ways of modern religious indoctrination and control, >> which >>> I also abhor. >>> >>> Hmmmm... Matronizing dunderhead.. I actually might try that. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But then, that's me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yours as usual, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Too much like whenever and whatever you, John, say it is... Sure, >>>> you're >>>>>> cute, but so what? I most certainly can refute Tom Robbins. I threw >> my >>>>>> bloody bible (father and all) into the the garbage and heaped on >> coffee >>>>>> grounds and egg shells. >>>>>> >>>>>> With care, >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You bet greed and materialism evolved for reasons, Marsha. But were >>>> they >>>>>>> good reasons? Or bad reasons? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The age old question, asked of Dorothy by the munchkins, "Are you a >>>> good >>>>>>> witch? Or a bad witch?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Applying the question to reason itself, I'd say that Reason has >>>>>> definitely >>>>>>> been a good thing. It's freed women, men and children from the >>>>>> oppressions >>>>>>> of nature, allowing humanity to blanket the earth with comfortable >>>>>>> fecundity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, what men, women and children have done with their >>>> freedom >>>>>> is >>>>>>> another story entirely. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reason has its limits, that aren't reason's fault. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anymore than its my hammer's fault that it's not an open-end 7/16 >> inch >>>>>>> wrench. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I still think things like to be realized, and that's why there's >>>>>>> intellect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Water invented man, so it could walk around and tell stories. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can't refute Tom Robbins, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:41 AM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well yes. But its a relationship created by the thinking. Not >>>>>>>> naturally >>>>>>>>> arising just because granite, gravity and protons are "there". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In other words, consciousness evolved for a reason. Or reason >>>> evolved >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>> reason, and that reason is that gravity, protons and granite like >> to >>>> be >>>>>>>>> realized. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reason evolved for a reason? Either it did or it didn't. Oh >> goodie, >>>>>> than >>>>>>>> greed >>>>>>>> and Materialism evolved for a reason. Long live Plato and >>>> Aristotle!!! >>>>>>>> Down >>>>>>>> with all women!!! Down with passion and heart!!! (sarcastically >>>>>> written) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or maybe reason evolved with a twenty-five-hundred year-old >>>> distortion, >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> masculine dis-ease, so pleased is he with his own ability to >> destroy. >>>>>>>> Yes, I _think_ that is more likely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so make their day. Think about them and fulfill their (and your) >>>>>>>> destiny. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Happy thinking, dear Marsha, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do lead, granite, gravity and protons, all as patterns, have a >>>>>>>> relationship >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> thinking/thoughts/consciousness? Do all patterns from all levels >>>> have >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> relationship with thinking/thoughts/consciousness? I do not mean >> to >>>>>>>>>> insinuate >>>>>>>>>> that they are just ideas, but that they have a relationship with >>>>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
