Well put, Marsha and Platt! > Hi Platt, > > Yes, you seem correct to my way of thinking. I don't see how it can > be otherwise. The MoQ is a shift in world-view so great in difference > from the SOM world-view that it makes the split between social and > intellectual levels dwarf in comparison. > > I agree with you. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2010, at 11:19 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi Marsha, Craig, All:: > > > > Perhaps nowhere else is clinging to SOM shown to be so yesterday than > in the > > discoveries of quantum physics. In looking down to find the lowest > "thing" > > that was at the bottom of the material world, scientists found there > was > > nothing there, a no-thing-ness that mystics found centuries ago. > Instead of > > dealing with this inexplicable phenomenon by changing their worldview > of > > subjects observing objects, they have invented all sorts of chimeras > like > > Plank's constant and multiple universes to cover their you-know- > whats. > > > > I don't understand quantum physics either. But, I do understand it > has proved > > the SOM premise of a fundamental subject/object separation is wrong. > Result: > > SOM needs -- not an "extension" or new set of clothes as some suggest > -- but a > > total replacement. > > > > Alfred North Whitehead, who Pirsig has acknowledged as an influence, > said: > > > > "The progress of science has now reached a turning point. The stable > > foundations of physics have broken up. The old foundations of > scientific > > thought are becoming unintelligible. Time, space, matter, material, > ether, > > electricity, mechanism, organism, configuration, structure, pattern, > function, > > all require reinterpretation." > > > > Enter the MOQ. > > > > Platt > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2010 at 3:22, MarshaV wrote: > > > > > > Adrie, Craig, > > > > I love it when they tell you that if you think you understand it, you > don't. > > It is > > also sometimes stated that it beyond rationality, or that our > language, which > > has developed with our Aristotelian/Cartesian point-of-view, is > contrary to > > Quantum understanding. > > > > There is one explanation that has me puzzled; it's Plank's constant. > Most > > of the lectures I've listened to have been for non-scientists. Oh- > oh! In one > > lecture, granted it was on the 1990's science wars rather than QP, it > was > > stated clearly that Plank's constant was chosen and adopted for use > to get > > rid of an anomaly (either infinity or zero). It was explained that > it is > > sufficiently > > small as not to have a significant impact on the equation while still > > preventing > > the anomaly. Wow! That's like art. > > > > Most of the QP lectures were presented in a very absolute way. For > > instance to paraphrase one professor "this calculation for spin is > not just > > mathematics; it is real." What conclusion am I to leap to from that > statement? > > > > I do not really understand QP, but I love it nonetheless because it > is pointing > > > > beyond a subject/object world-view. I didn't understand much of the > article, > > but sensed it was pointing to something of quality. > > > > Thanks Adrie, I keep trying... > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:31 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> > >> [Adrie] > >> How would you compare "Weak Quantum Theory: Complementarity and > Entanglement > >> in Physics and Beyond" to Pirsig's SODV > >> (http://www.quantonics.com/Pirsigs_SODV.html)? > >> . > >> "Even though the isolation of parts of reality is expected to be a > problematic operation, its possibility, at least in some approximate > sense, is the prerequisite for any act of cognition and, in fact, > already implicit in the epistemic split between subjects and objects of > cognition." > >> ("Weak Quantum Theory: Complementarity and Entanglement in Physics > and Beyond", > >> p. 11) > >> > >> Explanations of Reality should be so simple a child could > >> understand them. (Pirsig) > >> > >> "This is so simple even a child could understand it. Go out and > >> get me a child--I can't make heads or tails of it." (Marx)Craig > >> > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html
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