[Krimel]
The question is, why bother? Levels are only useful if they are intuitive
and easily processed. If you have to expend much taxonomic energy what would
be the point?
The point?
If we can connect the established sciences with the levels, and
incorporate thousands of years of research into the MoQ (instead of
fight it as many here tend to do), I think that would be pretty darned
useful. I'm actually a bit perplexed by your question.
[Krimel]
Carbon chemistry not-with-standing life is what make an organism an
organism. Rivers, currents, fires and storms all adapt to changing
circumstances.
Ok, I didn't mean that DQ implied life, it's the other way around.
Whenever you have life, DQ is around. Even the simplest life wouldn't be
called life if it weren't able to adapt and try to survive in harsh
environments. The quote "life finds a way" from Jurassic park captures
what I mean quite well.
[Krimel]
I think you are confusing systems with societies. Societies are classes of
systems. I agree with you up to a point. I think it was stupid to claim that
"social" only applies to human societies. Human societies are a continuation
and elaboration of a particular evolutionary strategy; strength in numbers
and more strength in numbers cooperating. But I really don't see the point
in extending this to systems of particles, atoms or molecules.
I said cell, not particles, atoms or molecules. A cell is much more
complex than just a molecule.
[Krimel]
I have seen some of Nilsson's work in a PBS program about embryonic
development call Life's Greatest Miracle.
Yes, that's his older work. The Cell city film is from 2009.
He is very good and his work is
stunning. But I think you are trying to push this metaphor too far. What
does extending the social into the molecular level offer that systems theory
doesn't already supply?
As I said, not molecular, cellular. A cell is (or can be for single cell
organisms) self-sufficient, but its parts are not.
Not really sure it does offer anything that systems theory does not, in
isolation that is. But incorporated in the MoQ, with the other levels
and the discreteness and dependence, I think it *is* quite a step forward.
Magnus
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