[Bo] Hold your fire. Pirsig's must be the strangest case in the Western cultural history by 1) presenting a system that will abolish academical philosophy (philosophology)...
[Arlo] You think Pirsig's ideas would lead to the abolishment of philosophy courses at the academy? Or do you see "Bo's MOQ" as the only course needed? In any event, the Academy is dynamic and disciplines come and go, and I am not in nor involved with a philosophy program, so this charge means nothing to me. But this is just more of your warped interpretration of Pirsig's ideas. Since Pirsig's main involvement in recent times has been working with Ant to bring his ideas into the philosophy discourse of the Academy. Maybe it is YOU are simply afraid that Pirsig's ideas are much more relevant than YOURS. [Bo] ... by 2) postulating that it - with a welter rational disciplines - is the last and topmost level in a system of levels that violently resist being moved down inside the hierarchy. [Arlo] Pirsig's metaphysics of Quality is an intellectual pattern. The morass and distortions necessary to "make" it a "new level" are simply dismissable. "Intellect" is not "violently resisting" anything, that's just absurdity. "Intellect" is responding to a very low quality, and highly untenable "argument" that is your revision of Pirsig. It is only your ego that sees it otherwise. [Bo] Now, the MOQ is no level... [Arlo] Pirsig's ideas are intellectual patterns, and your ideas are intellectual patterns. There is no "THE MOQ" that you are both "interpreting". Now, you can propose that YOUR ideas constitute a "new level", and good luck with that... [Bo] ...but its treatment of the topmost - intellectual - level is at least as humiliating for intellect as intellect's own was for the social level. [Arlo] Pirsig's ideas expand rationality. If your ideas "humiliate" it, then good luck with that... [Bo] This intellect vs. society struggle isn't over and intellect's resistance to the MOQ will be no less protracted... [Arlo] An expansion of rationality will, no doubt, take some time. But with people like Pirsig and Ant and others behind it, I have no doubt it will occur. [Bo] Not by violence, but by intellect's means, it will not allow itself to be reduced from thinking itself to the static value of a thinking subject/objective world. [Arlo] This is just in your mind, Bo. Whatever, your SOL revisions have no quality for me whatsoever. [Bo] See, you want it all shifted to an inter-academic dispute, harmless for intellect that happily sees countless "intellectual patterns" - i.e. ideas pop up and compete.... [Arlo] This is almost too funny. You are suggesting the reason you can't articulate why your ideas are BETTER than Pirsig's is because YOUR MOQ is above being an idea? And you wonder why hardly anyone takes you seriously??? [Bo] but there is just one MOQ and it is the one that reduces intellect from its role in SOM.... [Arlo] And this is the delusion that drives your whole mess. There is not "one MOQ", Pirsig's ideas constitute HIS ideas. That's all. And your ideas are YOUR ideas. There is not "THE MOQ" sitting out there being "interpreted" like an elephant by blind men. And this is why you remain forever trapped in the quest for intepretative legitimacy, why you rely on ongoing distortions and dishonesty, why you solely concerned with "proving" that "your MOQ" is "the one true MOQ", and you seek this based on being a better interpreter of (the now pre-hospitalized!) Pirsig than Pirsig. As I said, there is no doubt the SOL is intellectually worthless, and this is why you rely on such nonsense to promote your little pet theory. You've proven yourself incapable of taking it to its only valid ground, and thus the whole thing is about emotional fulfillment (be it anti-intellectual hatred, love of art, or your own need to feel "morally superior" to all the infidels of the non-white, non-christian, non-western world). You claim to have "saved the MOQ", when all you are doing is whoring "it" out to serve base emotional needs. "Intellect's henchmen"?? That's funny, moving from a Messianic Complex to a Superhero one? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
