dmb, You have misstated that the first quote was from Arlo to Marsha. It was not.
Marsha On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:35 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > > Arlosaid to Marsha: Comments like this just make you look like an idiot. > > > Marsha replied: And it is like this comment of yours, Arlo, that reflects > YOU as an idiot. > > > dmb quotes Crawford: > > "Pirsig's mechanic is, in the original sense of the term, an idiot. Indee, he > exemplifies the truth about idiocy, which is that it is at once an ethical > and a cognitive failure. The Greek idios mean 'private', and an idiotes mean > a private person, as opposed to aperson in theior public role - for example, > that of a motorcycle mechanic. Pirsig's mechanic is idiotic because he fails > to grasp his public role, which entail, or shold, a relation of active > concern to others, and to the machine. He is not involved. It is not his > problem. Because he is an idiot. > This still comes across in the related English words 'idiomatic' and > 'idiosyncratic', which similarly suggests self enclosure. For example, when a > foreigner asks him for directions, the idiot will reply idiomatically, rather > than refer to a shared coordinate system. H ealso lacks the attnetive > oopeness that seeks thing out in the shared world, as when Pirsig's mechanic > 'barely listened to the piston slap before saying, 'Oh yeah. Tappets'. At > bottom, the idiot is a solipsist." (Matthew Crawford, "Shop Class as > Soulcraft", page 98.) > > > dmb says: > > Rather than refer to a shared coordinate system - for example the english > language - the idiot will respond with idoisnycratic meanings and defintions > of her own. She might, for example, define 'patterns" as "amorphous" or use > "static" to mean "ever-changing". This is a cognitive failure as well as > ethical failure. Plus it's really annoying and it's likely to draw > unflattering comments from anyone who sees this idiocy. > > > Sorry, but that's how it is. If you talk like an idiot, then that's just what > people will say about you. > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
