Ignore, I made a mistake in sending this post... - Marsha
On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:00 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > 'Shop Class as Soulcraft'? I've read Kant, Nietzsche, Hume, Descartes and > others when I was taking philosophy classes as an undergraduate student and > many others since, am I going to need to read 'Shop Class as Soulcraft' too? > > > > On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:35 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> >> Arlosaid to Marsha: Comments like this just make you look like an idiot. >> >> >> Marsha replied: And it is like this comment of yours, Arlo, that reflects >> YOU as an idiot. >> >> >> dmb quotes Crawford: >> >> "Pirsig's mechanic is, in the original sense of the term, an idiot. Indee, >> he exemplifies the truth about idiocy, which is that it is at once an >> ethical and a cognitive failure. The Greek idios mean 'private', and an >> idiotes mean a private person, as opposed to aperson in theior public role - >> for example, that of a motorcycle mechanic. Pirsig's mechanic is idiotic >> because he fails to grasp his public role, which entail, or shold, a >> relation of active concern to others, and to the machine. He is not >> involved. It is not his problem. Because he is an idiot. >> This still comes across in the related English words 'idiomatic' and >> 'idiosyncratic', which similarly suggests self enclosure. For example, when >> a foreigner asks him for directions, the idiot will reply idiomatically, >> rather than refer to a shared coordinate system. H ealso lacks the attnetive >> oopeness that seeks thing out in the shared world, as when Pirsig's mechanic >> 'barely listened to the piston slap before saying, 'Oh yeah. Tappets'. At >> bottom, the idiot is a solipsist." (Matthew Crawford, "Shop Class as >> Soulcraft", page 98.) >> >> >> dmb says: >> >> Rather than refer to a shared coordinate system - for example the english >> language - the idiot will respond with idoisnycratic meanings and defintions >> of her own. She might, for example, define 'patterns" as "amorphous" or use >> "static" to mean "ever-changing". This is a cognitive failure as well as >> ethical failure. Plus it's really annoying and it's likely to draw >> unflattering comments from anyone who sees this idiocy. >> >> >> Sorry, but that's how it is. If you talk like an idiot, then that's just >> what people will say about you. >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
