On 7/30/10 10:16 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
[Ham] Dear Marsha -- > You wrote "ALL awareness is proprietary to the self.", and I > continue to maintain that there is no self. An "independent self" > is no more than a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, > inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual static patterns of value. > On reflection, the awareness I describe has nothing consistent > or central about it, either. I think it best that I keep it away from > analysis which will surely distort the experience into an > independent entity, which is what intellectual analysis is prone to do. You avoid analysis for the very reason that the "independent entity" you thnk is a "distortion" of your experience is in fact your "self". I know you're tired of hearing me say this, but "inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual static patterns of value" is a conceptual idea. Ideas are thoughts structured by the subjective mind and sometimes communicated to others by words and symbols. Patterns are relational configurations recognized intellectually and added to ideas or precepts. Neither ideas nor "patterns of value" exist without a cognizant agent to realize them. YOU are the cognizant agent of your values. To put it as simply as I can (i.e., no analysis required), YOU are your SELF. May the peace of understanding comfort you, Ham [Joe] Hi Ham, Marsha, and all, "The sun of quality,² he wrote, ³does not revolve around the subjects and objects of our existence. It does not just passively illuminate them. It is not subordinate to them in any way. It has created them. They are subordinate to it!² And at that point, when he wrote that, he knew he had reached some kind of culmination of thought he had been unconsciously striving for over a long period of time. ZEN AND THE ART OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE p. 305 paperback edition. Joe Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
