You've got it Joe! You're right on the mark! - Marsha
On Jul 31, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > > On 7/30/10 10:16 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote: > > [Ham] > Dear Marsha -- > >> You wrote "ALL awareness is proprietary to the self.", and I >> continue to maintain that there is no self. An "independent self" >> is no more than a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, >> inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual static patterns of value. >> On reflection, the awareness I describe has nothing consistent >> or central about it, either. I think it best that I keep it away from >> analysis which will surely distort the experience into an >> independent entity, which is what intellectual analysis is prone to do. > > You avoid analysis for the very reason that the "independent entity" you > thnk is a "distortion" of your experience is in fact your "self". > > I know you're tired of hearing me say this, but "inorganic, biological, > social, and intellectual static patterns of value" is a conceptual idea. > Ideas are thoughts structured by the subjective mind and sometimes > communicated to others by words and symbols. Patterns are relational > configurations recognized intellectually and added to ideas or precepts. > Neither ideas nor "patterns of value" exist without a cognizant agent to > realize them. YOU are the cognizant agent of your values. > > To put it as simply as I can (i.e., no analysis required), YOU are your > SELF. > > May the peace of understanding comfort you, > Ham > > [Joe] > Hi Ham, Marsha, and all, > > "The sun of quality,” he wrote, “does not revolve around the subjects and > objects of our existence. It does not just passively illuminate them. It > is not subordinate to them in any way. It has created them. They are > subordinate to it!” > > And at that point, when he wrote that, he knew he had reached some kind of > culmination of thought he had been unconsciously striving for over a long > period of time. > > ZEN AND THE ART OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE p. 305 paperback edition. > > Joe > ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
