> [Mary] had said: > The problem is not with the word 'static'. The problem is with the > word 'concepts'. The levels are not 'concepts'.
[Krimel] > All words are concepts. Seriously, until you get this, you are just > pissing in the wind. [Bo] Mary, does not deny the fact that words are concepts, she just says that the levels aren't concepts. I.e. that DMB's Jamesian "Dynamic Flux/Concepts" doesn't correspond to MOQ's "Dynamic/Static". [Krimel] Not only is level a concept it is a concept that aids us in organizing other concepts. It is a structural component of a conceptual schema. James breaks it down into percepts and concepts. I agree with that. I also thing this maps pretty well onto the static/dynamic split. Dave for unspecified reasons resists equating dynamic flux with perception but he has been slowly moving in the right direction just give him some more time. [Bo] Language is the sea we swim in and cannot be used as any metaphysical basics. [Krimel] This is just a catch phrase for you. The fact that we are immersed in language does not mean we can just ignore that fact; nor does it prevent us from using language in philosophy and metaphysics. Neither would be possible without language. In fact philosophy and metaphysics are just those parts of the intellectual level which allow us to inquire into the nature and meaning of language and into the nature and meaning of "nature" and "meaning." Recursion, you see? That's' the meaning of "meta", BTW. [Bo] The same goes for "human beings". We can postulate a time before language and a time before Homo Sapiens... [Krimel] For that we can also look at the social and communicative behaviors of our nearest relatives. [Bo] ...but not as a basic divide like DMB's "Everything not language/Language" or SOM's "Everything not subjective/Subjective". [Krimel] At least you are starting to see that there are lots of ways to carve up metaphysical space. [Bo] All such ends in paradoxes: All is conveyed by language, the objective is contained in the subject. [Krimel] Recursion, reflection and feedback loops are not paradoxical. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
