[Bo] To ask what type of pattern a rock is and not being satisfied with it being "static inorganic value" reveals that you are on the intellectual level and ask about some "nature" other than value.
[Arlo] Bo, Bo, Bo... I am satisfied with that answer. Okay, a rock is "static inorganic value". I get that. Now, what type of static value is the "inorganic level" itself? Inorganic? Biological? Social? Intellectual? Other? [Bo] But you forget that this ordering of things is part and parcel of the MOQ. [Arlo] So the Metaphysics of Quality is neither static quality nor Dynamic Quality, right, so you are creating a third metaphysical category, saying that "reality" is composed of DQ/SQ/Metaphysics of Quality. [Bo] Who asks about levels and patterns "themselves" except Arlo. [Arlo] People interested in more than propping up failed "theses" by sticking one's head in the sand... [Bo] No level at all unless you make language a metaphysical entity and THAT you obviously do. [Arlo] So language is NOT a metaphysical entity? By this do you mean it is NOT a pattern of value of any sort? [Bo] The MOQ isn't above its levels, it contains the levels. [Arlo][ Right, you are creating a third metaphysical category, because obviously here there are more things than DQ and SQ, there is "metaphysics" that is neither but something else entirely. [Bo] No, as said above, the Quality ordering and the MOQ is identical. It has devoured your old SOM from where you cook up all these weird "problems" [Arlo] Interestingly, the only "problems" afoot exist in your creation of a third metaphysical category. But again, you are saying (to be clear) the Metaphysics of Quality is NOT a pattern of value at all. What is its relationship to Quality? Identical? [Bo] In SOM (and Socrates was the chief SOM instigator) this may be so. In one way seen - materialism - nothing is analogies, but from its idealism everything is just .. language, analogies, hot air .. but the MOQ is supposed to have transcended SOM. [Arlo] So you are saying "everything is an analogy, except the Metaphysics of Quality", is this correct? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
