Hello Ade, Platt,
> Hello Platt,
> You have stated it succinctly.
> Thank you sir.
John: I agree completely.
> The moq is very much not unique in applying an ability to judge in the
> manner you describe as i keep discovering.
> It's central to many beliefs, but rejected by modernity. I'll grant you
> that.
> Shopenhauer is rejected for the same reason for example, and his notion of
> the Universal Will is restricted to living things only by those who choose
> to take him seriously. It is Shopenhauer who spoke of magnets having a
> preference to do what they do, and it is also held by Aristotle that things
> fall to the ground because they prefer to do so.
> When Shopenhauer writes about the Universal Will, i do take him seriously.
> So when the moq says the same thing i take it seriously also.
John: I think you hit on a real key point there, about a certain congruence
Quality has, or rather a congruence of metaphysics toward Quality, that
keeps the MoQ from being unique - but in a good way.
> Because Robert Pirsig is ruminating his thoughts in the novel he doesn't
> list the possible sources that may have informed this thinking. Which i do
> not argue with and accept for what it is.
I believe his sources are pretty well explicated. In biographical form in
his novels, and in this forum a lot gets brought to light. He never claimed
to be a comprehensive scholar of philosophy, by any means. I think he came
to his insights in congruence with others, independently of knowing about
them, and in a way, that's a stronger affirmation of his thinking than if
he'd been aware of them before he started out.
@ Hello John,
You make an interesting point because congruence could support the suggestion
that he is individuating Universal biases.
Congruence may also imply there is a good deal he only became aware of as he
became aware of it.
Jung gives the example of the individual who developed the law of the
conservation of energy. The moq would regard this
as symbolic manipulation at the intellectual level (thinking). Jung interprets
this as the individuation of an Archetype which had been
done numerous times in previous cultures (revelation).
Had anyone individuated this Archetype at around the same time as the gentleman
who developed the law of the conservation
of energy it would not be surprising. It was time for it to happen.
I'm not suggesting Robert Pirsig had a massive case of cryptomnesia, although
there are events in his biography that
would explain this.
> What is unique about the moq in my opinion is that it is an individuation
> of our commonly held heritage.
> If we connect to this as you say we have the opportunity to ripen as
> individuals.
This happens, yes. But I believe moreso in dialogue than individual
contemplation. I see it fundamentally as a social process, and thus the MoQ
as inextricably intertwined with MD.
@ I'm going to have to think about that one.
Thanks for joining us and hope you stick around.
Schopenhauer! Yummm....
John
Thank you for the warm welcome John.
Ade
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