Intellect is all symbols, some more useful than others in dealing with adopt-or- die reality. But Quality? Now you're talking direct experience. And some symbols directly experienced have more Quality than others, even when they have no use at all. And those are the ones, strangely enough, that make life worthwhile.
Platt On 8 Sep 2010 at 15:33, Frank Booth wrote: <F> All these folks are looking for the primal pattern. It's all metaphor and mythology. ________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 3:56:54 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level HI John, On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:36 PM, John Carl wrote: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:32 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Greetings John, >> >> I wasn't speaking of those on this list who are analyzing the physicists >> metaphysical notion of 'real'. Most, of these physicists/scientists are >> scientific >> materialist and they believe that the photon is an independent existing >> entity. >> >> > Ok first off, where's your evidence on the "scientific materialists" and > what does that mean anymore? You are correct, some scientists seem to think that photons exist as independent entities, that they have mass. Others may think that photons are ideas only. Still others may think that photons are static patterns of value. My statement was based on books I have read and lectures I have listened to, but the statement was really only inferred relative to my experience of what physicists say. > I'm sure they're aware of the fact there really is no such a thing as "an > independent existing entity". Any scientist working with photons surely > knows that! Even I know that, and those guys are way smarter and more > educated than me! It is quite possible that many scientists, maybe even most scientists, think all the particles in the Standard Model are ideas with no mass and no independent existence. I don't really know with any certainty. How do you know "those guys" are smarter and more educated than you? Smarter how? Educated how? Maybe what they don't know is more valuable than what they do know? That is if they knew what they didn't know, of course. There may be all sorts of fringe patterns that are mostly ignored by smart, educated scientists that contain great value? That's possible, isn't it? > Most human beings have a world view that the world is made of themselves, >> an independent entity and independent entities and objects in an external >> world. >> > > yes, but most human beings don't think much about "photons' either. And > those who do understand that "independent existence of material objects" > rules don't apply at the quantum levels. Right again, John... I have no proof of what most human beings think. Maybe when they sit down for their evening meal, they think they are sitting on a process. Or maybe they don't think. Maybe humans, evening, meals and sitting are patterns of value extracted from a dynamic flow of quality. Different patterns of value are interesting, are they? Yet, I still find my idea that most physicists think that photons are 'real' in the sense that they have an independent existence in an external world to be true. >> I do not dispute that those on this list are grappling with other >> metaphysical notions. >> >> > physical ones too. yoikes. > > john Going to go for experience for a while. Going to go paint . Listen to Enigma and paint... Marsha, a radical empiricist, ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
