Damn! When I try to be more careful with my statements, I find my editing efforts have made matters much worse. Let me try again.
Greetings John, When physicists state that photons are 'real', what do you think they mean? Or when someone states gravity is 'real'. what do suppose they mean? I've even heard a physicist state that particle spin is not just a mathematical equation, but is something 'real'. I believe this - photon, gravity, particle spin - is supposed to represent something having independent existence in an external world. But what has happened is a conceptual construct abstracted from interdependent processes has been analyzed into being a real object. If by "no serious thinker" you mean you and I, well then, okay... Marsha On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:30 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:16 PM, John Carl wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, thanks for the chance to pointificate. >> >> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:07 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I do not agree. Intelligence is a species of art, but I do not see >>> intelligence >>> the same a intellect/intellectual. I understand intelligence as something >>> like: >>> >>> Intelligence: >>> The skillful use of whatever patterns (organic, biological, social & >>> intellectual) >>> a given situation requires, or possibly to use no pattern, the truly >>> dynamic, >>> if nothing else is suitable. >> >> >> >> I use the term differently, myself. For me, intelligence is the cleavage >> between inorganic and organic, and intellect is the cleavage between social >> and the fourth level. Intellect is the kindergarten of the fourth level. >> This is important to my understanding because it ties in realistically with >> the levels. What is life but that which exhibits intelligence? Even an >> amoeba is smart enough to come in out of the acid, as opposed to lumps of >> matter which just lay there and take dissolution. That's what I term >> "intelligence". >> >> But when objects are conceptualized, we enter the realm of intellect and >> reifying these conceptualizations I'd call SOM, the kindergarten of >> intellectualism and the position "no serious thinker holds for long." > > Greetings John, > > When a physicists state that a photon is 'real', what do you think > they mean? Or when someone states a gravity is 'real'. what do > they mean? I've even heard a physicist state that particle spin in > not just a mathematical equation, but is something 'real'. I believe > this - photon, gravity, particle spin - is suppose to represent something > having independent existence in an external world. But what has > happened is a conceptual construct has been analyzed into real > object. > > If by "no serious thinker" you mean you and I, well then, okay... > > > Marsha > > > > >> >> But of course, all this is my own private interpretation. I stick to it >> only til I find something better. >> >> >> Intellectual patterns offer the most freedom and that is a good thing, but >>> intellectually patterns harbor a big flaw: they do not understand Quality. >>> >>> >> >> Right. To perceive Quality requires consciousness. I think it makes sense >> to define consciousness as "that which percieves Quality" and recognize it >> as a continuum extending mysteriously. I don't concieve consciousness as a >> pattern, that sounds reductionistic. I see consciousness as that which >> perceives patterns, in a creative way. >> >> Thanks marsha, >> >> John >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
