Marsha: What folks? What do I care of some mythological, metaphorical 'folks'?
On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Frank Booth wrote: > <F> > All these folks are looking for the primal pattern. > > It's all metaphor and mythology. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 3:56:54 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level > > > > HI John, > > > On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:36 PM, John Carl wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:32 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Greetings John, >>> >>> I wasn't speaking of those on this list who are analyzing the physicists >>> metaphysical notion of 'real'. Most, of these physicists/scientists are >>> scientific >>> materialist and they believe that the photon is an independent existing >>> entity. >>> >>> >> Ok first off, where's your evidence on the "scientific materialists" and >> what does that mean anymore? > > You are correct, some scientists seem to think that photons exist as > independent entities, that they have mass. Others may think that photons > are ideas only. Still others may think that photons are static patterns of > value. My statement was based on books I have read and lectures I have > listened to, but the statement was really only inferred relative to my > experience of what physicists say. > > >> I'm sure they're aware of the fact there really is no such a thing as "an >> independent existing entity". Any scientist working with photons surely >> knows that! Even I know that, and those guys are way smarter and more >> educated than me! > > It is quite possible that many scientists, maybe even most scientists, think > all the particles in the Standard Model are ideas with no mass and no > independent existence. I don't really know with any certainty. > > How do you know "those guys" are smarter and more educated than you? > Smarter how? Educated how? Maybe what they don't know is more > valuable than what they do know? That is if they knew what they didn't know, > of course. There may be all sorts of fringe patterns that are mostly > ignored > by smart, educated scientists that contain great value? That's possible, > isn't > it? > > > >> Most human beings have a world view that the world is made of themselves, >>> an independent entity and independent entities and objects in an external >>> world. >>> >> >> yes, but most human beings don't think much about "photons' either. And >> those who do understand that "independent existence of material objects" >> rules don't apply at the quantum levels. > > Right again, John... I have no proof of what most human beings think. > Maybe > when they sit down for their evening meal, they think they are sitting on > a process. Or maybe they don't think. Maybe humans, evening, meals and > sitting are patterns of value extracted from a dynamic flow of quality. > > Different patterns of value are interesting, are they? > > Yet, I still find my idea that most physicists think that photons are 'real' > in > the sense that they have an independent existence in an external world > to be true. > > > >>> I do not dispute that those on this list are grappling with other >>> metaphysical notions. >>> >>> >> physical ones too. yoikes. >> >> john > > > Going to go for experience for a while. Going to go paint . Listen to > Enigma > and paint... > > > Marsha, a radical empiricist, > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
