All, Who the hell is Laramie Loewen and why does he/she associate me with the FBI.
WTF STOP! is this wingnut threatening any of you guys? ----- Original Message ---- From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 8:10:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level Marsha, I am not trying to say you are "wrong" by any means only that your explanations contradict. I can appreciate the idea of a dynamic intellect, it's what most of us here are asserting. But to rest on the idea that SOM IS intellect only defeats that purpose. It leaves no room for improvement or development or expansion. It's the epitome of an absolute. ----- Original Message ---- From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 7:54:45 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level Bo would reply: the MoQ doesent make sense it's not supposed to make sense it's "out of intellect" but That leaves the door open for any and all kinds of senseless actions for justification of all senseless acts, including senseless violence. it's opening the gates of Hell and calling it Heaven. All the senseless acts of violence perpetrated against humanity was done so in the name of MoQ. Can't say it sounds very apealing to me. ----- Original Message ---- From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 7:47:07 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level Your whole arguement denies the "many intellectual realities" position. It denies that objective reification is a value pattern and asserts it as "how the brain works" which is an objective reified assumption. see how this denies your own position ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 7:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level see below... On Sep 12, 2010, at 7:30 AM, X Acto wrote: > Ok I think I get it > > You are appealing to a dynamic unpatterned intellect > > but if all thinking, as you suggest when you say that > "reification is how the brain works" then there is no > escape from it. > > transcendance is literally impossible.(while alive) or being coherent > in any kind of fashion. > > because it would require one to cease > using the brain. > > to then escape SOM we must revert to brainlessness. > > But to assert this you must constantly contradict yourself intellectually. > > the only way to a quality intellect is to stop using your brain become mindless > > I'd say a good portion of the world is already on that track. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 5:07:42 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level > > > Greetings, > > Understanding that that the way we deal with experience is: > > > "... we 'seek and find, or project, a simplifying pattern to approximate > every > complex field ... by lumping (ignoring some distinctions as negligible) and > by > splitting (ignoring some relations as negligible). Both ... create discreet > entities useful for manipulating, predicting and controlling ... [but] may > impose ad hoc boundaries on what are actually densely interconnected systems >and > > then grant autonomous existence to the segments' (p. 108). Even the contents > of > > > > > our own consciousness have to be dealt with in this way, resulting in our > array > > > > > of fragmented self-concepts, and we just put up with the anomalies that > arise. > Buddhism, he explains, agrees that discovering entities is conventionally > indispensable, but attachment and aggression arise through reifying them, > which > > > > > violates the principle that all things are interdependent, and all entities > are > > > > > conditional approximations." > > > My understanding of the Intellectual Level as SOM is: > > While the MoQ represents Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned > experience.) > > > > > Intellectual Static Patterns of Value (experiences) are reified concepts and >the > > rules for their rational analysis and manipulation. Intellectual patterns > process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries > that give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of >analysis.” > > The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the >paramount > > demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the > corruption > of any subjectivity. > Then: "... One can then examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the ‘real’ painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result of our history and current patterns of values. 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