Besides DMB was a joke Dave. 2010/9/17 ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]>
> I think your analysis is right on, Steve. Leonard Mlodinow, a science > journalist who knows Hawkin has published a best-selling book on his > theories of reality called "The Grand Design." I heard him interviewed on > Coast-to-Coast AM last night and thought you might like to review this > summary of the discussion prepared by the show's host George Noory. > > "Caltech physicist Leonard Mlodinow discussed his current work with Hawking > on the grand design of the universe and two central questions-- where does > the universe come from, and why are the laws of nature what they are? > Hawking's theories and the latest research in physics were used to answer > those questions. While the conditions for life are just right on Earth, > Mlodinow noted that we're looking backwards at the situation-- whatever > conditions it took for us to get here, have already happened. > > "The notion of the multiverse (many universes each with their own physical > laws) is a consequence of Hawking's theory of cosmology, said Mlodinow. > These various universes arose from nothing, but we now understand from > quantum theory that the state of nothingness is actually very unstable, and > that "things are always coming and going from nothingness," he explained. > Hawking's picture of the universe incorporates three theories: > > ". A 'no boundary' condition in which time becomes a dimension that looks > like space. > . M theory-- an extension of string theory dealing with forces like > gravity. > . Top Down Cosmology-- a new quantum approach that suggests the cosmos has > many different simultaneous histories. > > "Mlodinow also reviewed the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, > and the search at the Large Hadron Collider for the theoretical Higgs boson > particle. Interestingly, Hawking has predicted that the Higgs particle will > not be found." > > For all his alleged brilliance, Hawkin apparently believes the universe (or > "multiverse") was created from nothing, despite its 'Grand Design'. When > Mlodinow was asked several times if he (and Hawkin) believed there was a > Creator of the Grand Design, he dismissed the question as "one way of > thinking," for the unsophisticated. His reaction was the same when asked if > he thought life had any purpose. > > In short, the Hawkin-Mlodinow team is promoting the view that conscious > life and the ordered physical universe are mere happenstances that arose > from the chaos of nothingness. They are unwilling to even speculate on a > principle to explain existential reality. For the life of me, I can't > fathom a writer choosing the title "The Grand Design" if he doesn't > acknowledge a Designer. (But perhaps the Pirsigians here view it > differently.) > > Anyway, it provided a fascinating look into the scientific mindset. > > > > > > > comment Adrie > ----------------------- > > according to me , the theory of the multiverse originates from a > completely unknown author/philosopher called WILLIAM JAMES > AROUND 1895, but i repeat, the man is hardly known or noticed ever. > > From Wikipedia, the free idiotpedia > > The multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical > > set of multiple possible universes (including the one unique > > universe we are pretty sure we consistently inhabit) that together > > comprise everything that physically exists: the entirety of space > > and time, all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the > > physical laws and constants that govern them. The term was coined > > in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William > > James.[1] The various universes within the multiverse are > > sometimes called parallel universes. > > The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe > > within it and the relationship between the various constituent > > universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis > > considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, > > physics, astronomy, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and > > fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these > > contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative > > universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", > > "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", > > and "alternative timelines", among others. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse > > > > TRY TO FIND WILLIAM JAMES... I DO NOT THINK THIS WILL BE SO > DIFFICULT AT ALL > THE SQUIRREL IS NOT HIDING AROUND A TREE THIS TIME. > > The Squirrel was not a hidden tip, it was all over the place at all times. > > > > Now allow me some remarks. > > > the text you stole from the internet, originates from the hand of Kate Mc > Alpine, and the 23 year old chicka works at cern(lhc) > she has a habbit of stealing content on the internet, rephrasing it in her > own words and relaying it to the press , according to the > "FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT" principle, you took it by cut copy and paste, > rephrased it in some of your own distorted insights > according to "THE FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT PRINCIPLE", and thinking nobody > will ever know, problem is of course , a lie nested within other lies. > > You should really check your sources better , Before stealing from thiefs > and raping their stolen products into a happenstance. > > Exactly how the fuck can you fuck it up that mach, as the only intelligent > cristian thinker on the forum? (besides DMB) > > I was laying it out on the line all the time, the squiireltips.....William > James, the hunter, kept on repeating it... > the multiversum deviates from the many worldsinterpretation, but the link > was a tip towards william James......i kept on feeding it > while you were making your article Ham... > > > How the fuck does he do that?.....happenstances originating from > nottingness. > (joke) > > Honestly, very dissapointing , stealing is a sin, raping is a sin,lying is > a sin, what a sinner you are.what a fraude... > This is only one of the bugs, i can kill all others to, the article is full > of it. > > do i have to go on? > greetz, Adrie > > > > > > > > > 2010/9/16 Ham Priday <[email protected]> > >> >> On 15 Sep 2010, at 19:51, Steven Peterson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi John, Horse, Marsha, >>> >>> I hesitate to conclude that Hawking is a moron since there is so much >>> evidence to the contrary. >>> >>> What I hope he means by "philosophy is dead" is that philosophy as >>> Plato's project of getting beyond appearances to get us in touch with >>> reality as it really is has run its course and outlived its >>> usefulness. If so, I think Pirsig and any pragmatist would agree. On >>> the other hand, what I suspect he does mean is that science has proven >>> itself to be the one true way of getting us in touch with reality as >>> it really is. I suspect that he thinks scientific descriptions have >>> some privileged status over other sorts of descriptions. ... >>> >> >> I think your analysis is right on, Steve. Leonard Mlodinow, a science >> journalist who knows Hawkin has published a best-selling book on his >> theories of reality called "The Grand Design." I heard him interviewed on >> Coast-to-Coast AM last night and thought you might like to review this >> summary of the discussion prepared by the show's host George Noory. >> >> "Caltech physicist Leonard Mlodinow discussed his current work with >> Hawking on the grand design of the universe and two central questions-- >> where does the universe come from, and why are the laws of nature what they >> are? Hawking's theories and the latest research in physics were used to >> answer those questions. While the conditions for life are just right on >> Earth, Mlodinow noted that we're looking backwards at the situation-- >> whatever conditions it took for us to get here, have already happened. >> >> "The notion of the multiverse (many universes each with their own physical >> laws) is a consequence of Hawking's theory of cosmology, said Mlodinow. >> These various universes arose from nothing, but we now understand from >> quantum theory that the state of nothingness is actually very unstable, and >> that "things are always coming and going from nothingness," he explained. >> Hawking's picture of the universe incorporates three theories: >> >> ". A 'no boundary' condition in which time becomes a dimension that looks >> like space. >> . M theory-- an extension of string theory dealing with forces like >> gravity. >> . Top Down Cosmology-- a new quantum approach that suggests the cosmos has >> many different simultaneous histories. >> >> "Mlodinow also reviewed the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, >> and the search at the Large Hadron Collider for the theoretical Higgs boson >> particle. Interestingly, Hawking has predicted that the Higgs particle will >> not be found." >> >> For all his alleged brilliance, Hawkin apparently believes the universe >> (or "multiverse") was created from nothing, despite its 'Grand Design'. >> When Mlodinow was asked several times if he (and Hawkin) believed there was >> a Creator of the Grand Design, he dismissed the question as "one way of >> thinking," for the unsophisticated. His reaction was the same when asked if >> he thought life had any purpose. >> >> In short, the Hawkin-Mlodinow team is promoting the view that conscious >> life and the ordered physical universe are mere happenstances that arose >> from the chaos of nothingness. They are unwilling to even speculate on a >> principle to explain existential reality. For the life of me, I can't >> fathom a writer choosing the title "The Grand Design" if he doesn't >> acknowledge a Designer. (But perhaps the Pirsigians here view it >> differently.) >> >> Anyway, it provided a fascinating look into the scientific mindset. >> >> Best regards, >> Ham >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
