On Sep 18, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:
> Marsha to anybody and nobody:
>
> Intellect reifies, yet ultimately I understand the MoQ to be Quality =
> unpatterned
> experience / patterned experience. It is experienced as ever-changing,
> interdependent, relative, impermanent value.
>
> Andre:
> Well Marsha, here you go again without really understanding what you are
> saying to your-
> self. I think you have reified 'intellect' and you go on saying that
> 'ultimately' the MOQ
> points to DQ/sq... AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT. Think about this, meditate on it.
> How do you understand
> this, I wonder?
I have two views.
>
> I understand you are contradicting yourself on the basis of that which you are
> finding out through your meditative experiences. You translate this into a
> form which you
> vehemently defend. You desperately want to channel it through a S/O cage.
> This is, in objective
> terms, not being true to yourself...and the very fundamentals of the MOQ
1. MoQ as Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience) - no
explanation.
2. Intellectual Level - intellectual explanation as:
Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of
intellectual
static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function is as
reified concepts
and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation.
Reification decontextualizes.
Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual
framework creating false
boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an
“object of analysis.”
The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the
paramount demand
is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of
any subjectivity.
If you don't understand, that's okay. I am still going to pursue my present
interpretation.
Marsha
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