Hi Mark,

I would ask how you would address the quantum enigma, the measurement 
problem: the apparent creation of reality by conscious observation.  I have 
always found it interesting the many points-of-view brought to these 
discussions.  
I might see Quality from a unpatterned/patterned point-of-view, you from a 
biochemical point-of-view, dmb from a Radical Empiricist/American Pragmatist 
point-of-view, Ham from his Essence point-of-view, and the many others.  It 
always 
seem to come down to the measurement problem.  The scientific conundrum might 
be that the questions asked and the instruments used in the measurement are our 
reality.  Once beyond Reality equals Quality, it comes down to reality equals 
our 
static patterns, or reality is whatever patterns one grasps at any given 
moment.  
It seems to me that it is here where we will leave the subject/object 
orientation 
for a value orientation.  


Marsha 
 
 









On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:07 PM, 118 wrote:

> he human body is indeed a waterfall, and, speaking as a Bioelectrochemist
> (my Ph.D.), we are harnessing high potential energy as reduced substances
> and then converting it into awareness.  Kind of like a waterwheel on a
> waterfall.  It is that flow of energy that produces the sense of being.  Of
> course there are lots of other ways of describing it (pictures and poetry
> included), but I still dwell in the world of science.


 
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