Anthony writes:
“Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and,
trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic
notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while
Quality is seen as absolute. In consequence, the truth is defined
as the highest quality intellectual explanation at a given time.
(McWatt,Anthony,MOQ Textbook)
Give me a r: R
Give me a e: E
Give me a l: L
Give me an a: A
Give me a t: T
Give me an i: I
Give me a v: V
Give me an e: E
What does it spell? Relative.
What does it spell? Relative!!!
What does it spell? RELATIVE!!!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
On Oct 23, 2010, at 1:35 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>
> "This threefold dependence is not intuitively obvious, for it is concealed by
> the appearance of phenomena as being self-sufficient and independent of
> conceptual designation. On the basis of these misleading appearances it is
> quite natural to think of, or conceptually apprehend, phenomena as
> self-defining things in themselves. This tendency is known as reification,
> and according to the Madhyamaka view, this is an inborn delusion that
> provides the basis for a host of mental afflictions. Reification
> decontextualizes. It views phenomena without regard to the causal nexus in
> which they arise, and without regard to the specific means of observation and
> conceptualization by which they are known. The Madhyamaka, or Centrist, view
> is so called because it seeks to avoid the two extremes of reifying phenomena
> on the one hand, and of denying the existence of phenomena on the other."
>
> Parrots squawk and
> peoples think.
> Echo's fate and
> Narcissus' link.
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:55:34 -0700
>> From: ununocti...@gmail.com
>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
>>
>> Hi Marsha,
>> Thanks for your help in my search. I found the following web page on
>> decontexualization.
>>
>> http://www.unm.edu/~devalenz/handouts/decontext2.html
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV <val...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> Here is how I interpret, based on how they function, the Intellectual
>>> (SOM) Level:
>>>
>>>
>>> The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns
>>> of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that
>>> these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their
>>> rational analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes.
>>> Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework
>>> creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a
>>> “thing” or an “object of analysis.” The fourth level is a formalized
>>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
>>> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like
>>> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and
>>> research in an unbiased and rational manner.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:40 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct interrupted to be interpreted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV <val...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not
>>> this,
>>>>>>> not that. Clearly I was mistaken. You were simply stating that
>>> Quality
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> not be described with words. OK, I get it. How is it then that you
>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>> The point is I don't talk about it. Using intellect to talk about
>>> Quality,
>>>>>> reifies it,
>>>>>> and it is not this, not that. I experience it as unpatterned, and
>>>>>> patterned flow,
>>>>>> after that nothing fits well. If you want to talk about Intellectual
>>> Level
>>>>>> patterns,
>>>>>> or Social Level patterns, or Biological Level patterns, or Inorganic
>>> Level
>>>>>> patterns, I think there is lots to consider and discuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is that while you do not talk about it, you certainly write
>>> about
>>>>> it, unless you are in the wrong forum. Your description of experience
>>> is
>>>>> shorthand at best There are at least four words there that need
>>>>> interpretation (and one of those is not "I", which can also be
>>> included).
>>>>> So, let's talk about the expression of quality in the subjects you
>>>>> reference above. You can consider it not really talking about Quality
>>> if
>>>>> that makes more sense to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The Dynamic aspect of Quality is unknowable, indivisible, undefinable.
>>>>
>>>> Static patterns of value are ever-changing, relative, impermanent
>>>> habit that is able to be conceptualized.
>>>>
>>>> The four levels are interpreted and defined with slight differences
>>>> dependent on an individuals past static pattern history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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