Mark to Andre:

I am sorry you feel that way.  I am more than happy to leave politics out of
this.

Andre:
And I am glad you didn't take my suggestion too seriously. I do not want to see 
anyone off this discuss who expresses a genuine interest in the MOQ as a whole.

Mark:
Now Andre,  if you would be so kind as to respond to the following question,
I would be most grateful:  Where does SOM come from?  I am not asking for a
definition, I am asking for a process.  What are the causal events that
bring about SOM?

Andre:
I have answered this, hopefully to your satisfaction, in my recent reply to 
Platt. Phaedrus is much better at a proper formulation regarding this issue (in 
ZMM, including the roles of Plato and Aristotle) which, among other things was 
further developed in LILA where Phaedrus argues for a view of 'preference' 
rather than 'cause'.

It irked Phaedrus because the word ''cause' implies absolute certainty whereas 
the implied meaning of 'value' is one of preference'

'Therefore when you strike cause from the language and substitute 'value' you 
are not only replacing an empirically meaningless term with a meaningful one; 
you are using a term that is more appropriate to actual observation'(LILA,p 107)



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