Thanks Andre,
That makes sense, I'll have to chew on it.
Mark

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroer...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Mark to Andre:
>
> I am sorry you feel that way.  I am more than happy to leave politics out
> of
> this.
>
> Andre:
> And I am glad you didn't take my suggestion too seriously. I do not want to
> see anyone off this discuss who expresses a genuine interest in the MOQ as a
> whole.
>
> Mark:
> Now Andre,  if you would be so kind as to respond to the following
> question,
> I would be most grateful:  Where does SOM come from?  I am not asking for a
> definition, I am asking for a process.  What are the causal events that
> bring about SOM?
>
> Andre:
> I have answered this, hopefully to your satisfaction, in my recent reply to
> Platt. Phaedrus is much better at a proper formulation regarding this issue
> (in ZMM, including the roles of Plato and Aristotle) which, among other
> things was further developed in LILA where Phaedrus argues for a view of
> 'preference' rather than 'cause'.
>
> It irked Phaedrus because the word ''cause' implies absolute certainty
> whereas the implied meaning of 'value' is one of preference'
>
> 'Therefore when you strike cause from the language and substitute 'value'
> you are not only replacing an empirically meaningless term with a meaningful
> one; you are using a term that is more appropriate to actual
> observation'(LILA,p 107)
>
>
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