Hi Marsha,
> I'd say the experience is to realize first-hand the nature of the mind. Yes, that is kind of what I'm saying. What choice do I have? I'm always realizing first-hand the nature of mind. It's just what I do, from moment to moment and day to day, without effort or taking lessons. If I stopped, then I'd be somewhat removed from myself, and experience mind second-hand, right? But that seems to be the tricky part to me. That part that would take such work! Experiencing mind first hand is just "doing what comes naturally." with no effort at all. Of course, I get accused a lot of being lazy, but oh well. That's a first hand experience also! > No > independent, "real" self and no independent, "real" objects. There can't really be any self, independent. There is only self-in-relation. I agree completely. > And isn't the > MoQ pointing beyond a reality based on self and objects towards a reality > based on Quality. Well, nothing beats seeing if for yourself. Nothing, of course, except maybe a really nice MLT, Mutton Lettuce and Tomato sandwich where the mutton is sliced nice and thin and the lettuce is real crisp and fresh.-- Miracle Max. I've been enlightened before, it's not brand new to me. Alan Watts, Steve Asma, Gary Snyder,Pirsig and a wonderful compilation of the works themselves Roaring Streams, they all pointed pretty much to the same moon. What I wonder, sometimes, is the value of seeking more fingers, more explanations, more words. Or even the good ol' words, over and over again as dmb is fond of quoting like a child afraid of getting the wrong answer; how much repetition is needed? I mean, would "neti-neti-neti" be of more value than "neti, neti"? I dunno. To me, time is precious and oughta be lived afresh in every moment. Emphasizing a certain set of words ad nauseum, doesn't sound like my idea of a quality life. If you ordered > 'Mind In The Balance', it will be explained by one very knowledgable about > this type of insight. Mine would be the explanation of a bug. > > And yes, I did finally figure out my wife's ordering sytem, and the book is on the way . :-) Busted! I feel "like a movie cartoon character who has just walked beyond the edge of a cliff but hasn't fallen yet because he hasn't realized his predicament." Obviously I am seeking, I am here. Onward realization! Interpretive skills perhaps. How to come together. Understanding and coming into accord with others. Absolute Pragmatism smells like something to me. Something good. And you always smell good too, Marsha, when you let anybody's nose get close enough. Yours, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
