On Nov 20, 2010, at 3:11 PM, John Carl wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > > >> I'd say the experience is to realize first-hand the nature of the mind. > > > John: > Yes, that is kind of what I'm saying. What choice do I have? I'm always > realizing first-hand the nature of mind. It's just what I do, from moment > to moment and day to day, without effort or taking lessons. If I stopped, > then I'd be somewhat removed from myself, and experience mind second-hand, > right? But that seems to be the tricky part to me. That part that would > take such work! Experiencing mind first hand is just "doing what comes > naturally." with no effort at all. > > Of course, I get accused a lot of being lazy, but oh well. That's a first > hand experience also!
Marsha: Are you tap dancing? >> No >> independent, "real" self and no independent, "real" objects. > > John: > There can't really be any self, independent. There is only > self-in-relation. I agree completely. Marsha: No independent, "real" objects? >> And isn't the >> MoQ pointing beyond a reality based on self and objects towards a reality >> based on Quality. Well, nothing beats seeing if for yourself. > > > John: > Nothing, of course, except maybe a really nice MLT, Mutton Lettuce and > Tomato sandwich where the mutton is sliced nice and thin and the lettuce is > real crisp and fresh.-- Miracle Max. > > I've been enlightened before, it's not brand new to me. Alan Watts, Steve > Asma, Gary Snyder,Pirsig and a wonderful compilation of the works themselves > Roaring Streams, they all pointed pretty much to the same moon. > > What I wonder, sometimes, is the value of seeking more fingers, more > explanations, more words. Or even the good ol' words, over and over again > as dmb is fond of quoting like a child afraid of getting the wrong answer; > how much repetition is needed? I mean, would "neti-neti-neti" be of more > value than "neti, neti"? > > I dunno. To me, time is precious and oughta be lived afresh in every > moment. Emphasizing a certain set of words ad nauseum, doesn't sound like > my idea of a quality life. Marsha offers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ > If you ordered >> 'Mind In The Balance', it will be explained by one very knowledgable about >> this type of insight. Mine would be the explanation of a bug. >> >> > And yes, I did finally figure out my wife's ordering sytem, and the book is > on the way . :-) Busted! I feel "like a movie cartoon character who has > just walked beyond the edge of a cliff but hasn't fallen yet because he > hasn't realized his predicament." Obviously I am seeking, I am here. > Onward realization! Interpretive skills perhaps. How to come together. > Understanding and coming into accord with others. Absolute Pragmatism > smells like something to me. Something good. > > And you always smell good too, Marsha, when you let anybody's nose get close > enough. I've had men swoon to theirs knees from the mystical, fragrance notes that I've chosen to play. ;-) > > Yours, > > John Yours, Marsha, the umbrella ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
