John to Andre:

Well Andre, I agree that there's a mess.  But I differ with you as to the
cause of the mess.

Andre:
Obviously, and I think you are the creator.

John:
Arlo says it's ok to disagree, just as long as I argue
correctly (in this case) against Pirsig, rather than AS Pirsig thinks.

Andre:
Yes, but Arlo made, if I understand correctly, a very big proviso and that is 
that your disagreement with Pirsig, and you float it around on this discuss, 
must also show that it is an improvement on Mr. Pirsig's MOQ. I think you are 
not improving it, rather the reverse.

John:
"Emotions are biological responses" is tautologically meaningless.

Andre:
How is this tautology John?...and meaningless??

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