On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Platt] > > A mistake perennially repeated by intellectuals who inhabit the SOL. One > can only know the value truth of the statement "All descriptions of reality > are contained within the reality they describe" by stepping outside of SOL > concepts into the realm of preconceptual knowing, i.e., DQ. > > [Arlo] > See, right there reveals your trappedness in SOL. You can't "step outside", > that's the SOM mistake. All you can do is deal with the paradox and > recursion from within, best stated by "All this is an analogy, including > this statement", understood by Zen masters and great philosophers like > Pirsig. > > Every time you try to "step outside" you simply create another "realm" from > which you then have to "step outside" to see. How could you know the value > of what you call "preconcpetual knowing" except from yet another "step > outside"? > > You continue to say "the eye cannot see itself", but your solution is to > provide another eye that sees that eye. The problem is, what sees *that* > eye? You need another eye to see that one. Then that one. Then the next one. > And so on. > > The solution to "the eye cannot see itself" is revealed in Magritte's The > False Mirror, what Hofstadter calls a "strange loop", a inherent paradox > that we have no choice but to point to with analogies and move on. [Platt] Hofstadter and you, trapped beyond help in SOL concepts and thus incapable of Dynamic understanding. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
