On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:41 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Marsha again]
> "Pirsig uses the term ‘subject-object metaphysics’ (SOM) for any
> metaphysics (explicitly or implicitly) that perceives reality as either mind
> and/or matter such as idealism, materialism, and dualism. " (MoQ Textbook)  
> 
> [Arlo]
> I see nothing here at all about language "implicitly suggest[ing] a
> subject-object metaphysical underpinning". (Nor do I see anything about
> "grammar rules").
> 
> Instead, its just as I've said from the beginning. "SOM" is a very particular
> metaphysical orientation regarding the primacy of subjects and objects (such 
> as
> "idealism, materialism, and dualism").

Marsha:
To you it is just as you've said, not to me.  Since this discussion is not to 
the 
death of one or another concept we'll have to live with the difference.  Thanks 
for your time.    


 
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