Hi John. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:16 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > John said: > Since we all know what Quality is; since we all have access to the > apprehension of this fundamental guide, why is there anything wrong? > [dmb] > Why? Because somewhere back in ancient Greece the Good was subordinated to > the True, because the passions were denigrated and rationality was made > divine. The reasons are historical and evolutionary. > [Mark] I think this is made way to complicated. When Pirsig stated that we all know what Quality is, he was not pointing to the intellectual knowing of such. He was pointing towards the intuitive knowing. The intellect only subverts such knowing with symbols representing truth. It is quite possible that we make choices before we intellectualize the choices. So, I would say that what is wrong is that we want to be right in the eyes of others. We need justification, so we create an elaborate web of something that is simply second nature, beyond the symbolic intellect. This is the impact of the social level on the intellectual level.
I think this is the danger of intellectual patterns, that Pirsig discusses. Perhaps this is one thing Phaedrus saw which stripped him of meaning, requiring shock treatment as is discussed in ZMM. When we are so used to truth and find that there is something deeper, it can be somewhat debilitating. It takes a while to build meaning back up, as is also discussed in ZMM. Such meaning can arrive at a narrow path as described in Lila, but there are many paths. The qualities of which lend meaning without truth. Cheers, Mark > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
