[Mary] Once you had mass, complex molecules were valued over the disorganzed. Once you had complex molecules, life was valued over the inorganic.
[Arlo] Note: Only by the biological patterns. Inorganic patterns do not experience biological patterns at all, so they have no way to "value" them over themselves. This is the problem, I think, with a lot of "top-down" analysis, that assume the foundation operates with regard or deliberation for the higher floors. It does not. There is no "reason" these inorganic patterns "killed" biological patterns, because any "reason" would presuppose on some level an awareness of biological patterns by inorganic patterns. The "reason" the inorganic patterns acted as they did is wholly that doing so was better, inorganically, than not do so. Anything "above" those inorganic patterns were wholly immaterial and non-existent to them. [Mary] Static Quality is about supporting the latches. [Arlo] Top-down, yes. Bottom-up, no. Biological patterns can be aware of inorganic patterns, and move to "support" the continuation of the inorganic patterns undergirding their being, but inorganic patterns are completely "blind" to biological patterns, and what they do or don't do has nothing whatsoever to do with patterns above them. [Mary] Would entities on another planet value William James? I doubt it. [Arlo] Would they value Pirsig? Or anything you value? Or even "us" at all? Maybe to these extra-earth entities, you are a "germ" worthy only of eradication. Or maybe they would look at us like livestock or pack animals. How would you argue otherwise? [Mary] Pirsig knows this. [Arlo] Why would Pirsig think that extra-terrestials entities would find no value (let's assume they are capable of interpreting the language) in James? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
